WH Calls for better background checks

[gearyr]

Well, Big O has started some noise about better background checks. This is on FOX News web site. Obama Pens Op-Ed Calling for Better Gun Sale Background Checks - FoxNews.com gearyr

[Guest mosinon]

Not a big fan of the Big O. That said, this seems pretty mild compared to what I was promised. I think Pimp Bill did worse and I can't remember what Carter did.

Wasn't he going to come to my house and personally take my guns. At least a ban on magazine capacity, right?

I'd like a world where you could buy a shotgun at Western Auto like you buy a deadly hammer but I think those days are gone. I doubt any Republican or Democratic pres will turn the clock back to the seventies. And, I suspect, that Obama won't really go after this with any vigor. He said something about so that is enough, right?

[Oh Shoot]

I call for better checks on White House hirees.

Presidents should be proven native born Americans.

Treasury secretaries shouldn't have history of tax fraud.

Senior advisers should not be self-proclaimed communists or Socialists.

Czars should be approved by congressional committee at the least.

Stuff like that.

- OS

[mikegideon]

I call for better checks on White House hirees.

Presidents should be proven native born Americans.

Treasury secretaries shouldn't have history of tax fraud.

Senior advisers should not be self-proclaimed communists or Socialists.

Czars should be approved by congressional committee at the least.

Stuff like that.

- OS

Well, looks like you and Obama are both gonna be disappointed . I don't see any funding for "reforming" anything. The repubs will fight him on the gun thing, just because.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

But OS's heart is definitely in the right direction.

[mikegideon]

But OS's heart is definitely in the right direction.

I agree. You just have to be able to bite the head off a live kitten before they'll even let you in the Capitol building. We're stuck with scumbags for good.

[1gewehr]

This is another major mistake by the Big O. The gun control nuts are going to rake him over the coals because he is not making good on any gun control promises. Nobody in favor of gun rights is going to be persuaded to be on his side by this. So, all he did was make some liberals upset for no gain. Seems to be typical of him lately.

[mikegideon]

Seems like all Obama has to do to satisfy most liberals is just say some stuff. So, he said some stuff that was kinda on their side. As liberals go, I think they just want nanny to solve their problems with "smart" new laws. I know a lot of liberals that I wouldn't call gun grabbing zealots, even though they don't like guns.

Obama may have done us a (unintentional) favor with that piece. He was complimentary and supportive of gun owners. That may actually tone down the majority of liberals. I also think that when it comes to more infringement, it will probably stop in the House.

[raydog1]

Brady Bunch is loving this:

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Media

I'm a little surprised that Helmke is taking this in stride, but now that I think about it, it's really this part of Obama's article that is pure brilliance:

"The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept."

and this part too:

"I know some aren't interested in participating. Some will say that anything short of the most sweeping anti-gun legislation is a capitulation to the gun lobby."

How could the Brady Bunch openly criticize this if they really want people to believe that they aren't for total bans? Obama put them in their place here (that's what you get for giving him an F, lol) and they have no choice but to bend over and take it. Pure politics. But make no mistake, privately, they are LIVID. Helmke's office probably looks worse than Japan right now. O gave them nothing to work with.

[mikegideon]

They gotta be pissed.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Seems like all Obama has to do to satisfy most liberals is just say some stuff. So, he said some stuff that was kinda on their side. As liberals go, I think they just want nanny to solve their problems with "smart" new laws. I know a lot of liberals that I wouldn't call gun grabbing zealots, even though they don't like guns.

I hope it was just verbal pandering to throw anti-gunners a bone.

If so, it would be similar to how republicans typically handle the abortion issue. Give speeches on the issue while having no intention of seriously trying to make it more restrictive.

Am not taking a position on the abortion issue one way or t'other. Only making analogy about how politicians handle the issue. Lots of these large special interest groups can make a lot of political trouble if you stir up the hornets too much, so speeches are often as far as it goes.

[mikegideon]

If I was Obama, I would do exactly what he did. He knows that no major gun control is going to get through the house. More likely, no kind of gun control at any level will get thru the house.

I have been poking a couple of anti's since this came out. He may not have changed their opinion, but he may have gone a long way toward shutting some of them up. Like I said, may wind up being nothing but win for us. The Brady bunch wants everybody to believe we're a bunch of crazy rednecks.

[raydog1]

If I was Obama, I would do exactly what he did. He knows that no major gun control is going to get through the house. More likely, no kind of gun control at any level will get thru the house.

I have been poking a couple of anti's since this came out. He may not have changed their opinion, but he may have gone a long way toward shutting some of them up. Like I said, may wind up being nothing but win for us. The Brady bunch wants everybody to believe we're a bunch of crazy rednecks.

I agree. Plus, even the staunchest anti has no choice but to vote for him in 2012. Like they're gonna vote for Palin out of spite? I don't think so. Even the VPC hasn't made a statement yet. And no anti group runs its mouth like the VPC: VPC - The Violence Policy Center - Press Releases

[dlm37015]

the sad thing is obama will be reelected because the gop is going not going to have a good conseravitive person to run it will be middle of the road person

[mikegideon]

The GOP might get behind a Doofus. That's a big part of what happened last time...

[Guest HvyMtl]

SPIN METER: Obama steers clear of action on guns - Yahoo! News

Hmm, I do like the fact the Brady Bunch have given him an "F" rating on gun control. That looks promising. I do not think he is stupid enough to try and press for anti legislation...

[Guest mosinon]

This is another major mistake by the Big O. The gun control nuts are going to rake him over the coals because he is not making good on any gun control promises. Nobody in favor of gun rights is going to be persuaded to be on his side by this. So, all he did was make some liberals upset for no gain. Seems to be typical of him lately.

I don't remember any gun control promises by Obama though he probably made them.

It doesn't really matter, that guy isn't going to face a challenge from his own party and what dem is going to vote for Romney or someone? Obama is a shrewd politician, he knows all he has to be is the less worst option for his base. This won't change that.

As much as I might not like Obama, as far as gun rights go, I can't really argue too much.

I mean I am happy to open a can of v-hate cause there is a d by his name but, honestly, from a gun rights perspective it is going to be hard to find a friendlier pres from the dem party. That might change when he gets re elected but for now...

[mikegideon]

NRA refuses to meet with Obama

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/us/politics/15guns.html?_r=2&ref=guncontrol

Edited March 15, 2011 by mikegideon

[Guest mosinon]

Well count me as a former NRA member then. I thought they were there to protect our rights not to be jerks about the whole thing.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

You had to pick a real flattering pic of Sarah, Mike. Aw hell, she even looks good in that one:D

[Guest 6.8 AR]

He will use an executive order for whatever he wants, if Traver gets confirmed.

[Dolomite_supafly]

Traver will do more harm than anyone else if he is confirmed. He is a staunch anti-gunner and considering the ATF has very little regulatory oversight it could be very bad for gun owners in general. The ATF uses opinions, rather than laws, to outlaw certain guns. And opinions do get reversed turning people into criminals over night. They have no set standard for testing weapons that may violate their opinions and routinely tweak firearms to ensure a certain outcome. And another disturbing fact is everyone at the ATF has a different opinion. I have wrote them for clarification at differnt times. I generally start with a "feel good" call before the letter. I ask for a verbal opinion before writing the letter and if the verbal opinion is in line with what I am looking for I will write in for the opinion in writing. On numerous occassions I have been given a verbal "good to go" but received a letter saying just the opposite. This only adds to the confusion because what is legal to one agent might be viewed as illegal by another.

Look at the Olofson case in which the ATF tweaked the ammunition by using soft primers to get his gun, that had a broken disconnect, to double tap. They also disassembled the gun and replaced parts to "test". The tweaked results were then used to put him in a federal facility for around 3 years. He was a soldier with absolutely no bad stuff in his background. From my reading he hadn't even had the gun in his possession for over a year but when the disconnector broke in the lendee's hands Olofson was charged with transferring a MG, not the manufacture of a MG because the ATF knew the gun wasn't intentionally turned into a MG but did so after a malfunction. The ATF uses only one definition "The gun fires more than one shot per pull of the trigger" regardless of the cause, even if the cause is a malfunction.

Another istance of the ATF going crazy was in teh case of a revolver piercing a primer as it fired. The gases that escaped from the pieced primer recocked the gun and because the trigger was still depressed the revolver fired again. That was investigated but I don't recall the outcome. A video on Youtube is what started it all.

Traver will be an era in which there will be a lot of gun owners being subjected to the hand of the ATF.

Dolomite

[Guest TnValleyBulletman]

But OS's heart is definitely in the right direction.

Hopefully on the way out of the White House (along with the rest of O) after the next election.

Like I said; Hopefully.

Any time it becomes obvious that the current gun laws doesn't work we hear calls for more gun control. There is no limit to it because gun control will never keep guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them.

[mikegideon]

Well count me as a former NRA member then. I thought they were there to protect our rights not to be jerks about the whole thing.

Read their official statement. It's BS, and they are calling BS.

[Guest peacexxl]

Read their official statement. It's BS, and they are calling BS.

I read it and it sounds like they are really just afraid to sit down at the table with him. To scream from the mountain tops about how evil this guy is and how he has an agenda to subvert the constitution and take away all of our rights starting with the 2A is one thing, but when what he is saying is virtually the same as what they are saying and they still don't won't to talk face to face, it makes them look weak to me.