Does it bother you when asked for ID?

[gregintenn]

It is my understanding mandatory carding applies only to off premises sale of beer and only, if in the opinion of the sales clerk, the buyer appears to be under the age of 50. This law was enacted in 2008 and replaced a one year law mandating carding for off premises sale of beer for all buyers, regardless of age.

This is probably what I was thinking of when I thought it had expired. Thanks.

[Erik88]

I agree with only selling to persons who are legal but is it really necessary when it is obvious that the person is way over the legal minimum age? Especially when the server/checkout person doesn't really read it but quickly glances and returns it? If it is a law/policy, then it seems to be an overeaction. Should there be ANY question then I do believe they should ask for identification and then take the time to scrutinize it. Is it a great problem for me? No. Is it an annoyance? Yes.

( I hate it even worse when people ask for my zip code at the checkout.)

Well I have to disagree here. After doing this for nearly 6 years I can look pretty quickly at the birthday and expiration date and glance at the picture. If the person is young like me then I take a longer look.

And yes I hate the zip code thing. I was buying something for my GF at Victorias Secret and they wanted my freaking zip code, email, blood type, sperm sample, and voter registration. It was ridiculous.

[gregintenn]

I don't give them a zip code or phone number if asked at a store checkout. The clerk usually rolls their eyes in disgust, or looks at me like I'm insane. If anything else is said, I ask for their address and phone number. That usually gets them to stop and think about it.

[Steelharp]

Here's the deal. I have traveled all over the country, and haven't had to produce ID anywhere (except the airport), and I have to do it everywhere in Tennessee.

I'm thinkin' that the problem might not be here. If you knowhutImean, Vern...

[kb4ns]

I've stopped in Exxon before in uniform and a squad car and had 'em card me for a can of dip. It's their policy. I ain't gonna get mad at the employees for following their company's rules.

[tntnixon]

One thing that did piss me off was when Target asked to "scan" the bar code on the back of my drivers license in order to buy an "R" rated movie. I told them to keep the damned thing. There is no way that I'm gonna let them have that much of my personal information, and store it in their computer bank, in order to buy a damned movie, especially when there is no legal requirement for doing so.

[tntnixon]

ya, they tell us this is still the law. However, I get different answers depending on what manager I ask. That is why I was hoping someone here could find out what the actual laws are.

57-5-301. Sales to minors or intoxicated persons prohibited — Employment of ex-convicts prohibited — Hours of sale and consumption — Loitering by minors — Possession by minors unlawful — Signs on vendors. —

(a) (1) A permit holder engaging in the business regulated hereunder or any employee thereof shall not make or permit to be made any sales to minors or persons visibly intoxicated. Prior to making a sale of beer for off-premise consumption, the adult consumer must present to the permit holder, or any employee of the permit holder, a valid, government-issued document, such as a driver’s license, or other form of identification deemed acceptable to the permit holder, that includes the photograph and birth date of the adult consumer attempting to make a beer purchase. Persons exempt under state law from the requirement of having a photo identification shall present identification that is acceptable to the permit holder. The permit holder or employee shall make a determination from the information presented whether the purchaser is an adult. In addition to the prohibition of making a sale to a minor, no sale of beer for off-premises consumption shall be made to a person who does not present such a document or other form of identification to the permit holder or any employee of the permit holder; however, it is an exception to any criminal punishment or adverse administrative action, including license suspension or revocation, as provided for a violation of this section if the sale was made to a person who is or reasonably appears to be over fifty (50) years of age and who failed to present an acceptable form of identification. Responsible vendors shall post signs on the vendor’s premises informing customers of the vendor’s policy against selling beer to underage persons. The signs shall be not less than eight and one-half inches by eleven inches (8 ½² x 11²), and contain the following language: STATE LAW REQUIRES IDENTIFICATION FOR THE SALE OF BEER. Neither the person engaging in such business nor persons employed by that person shall be a person who has been convicted of any violation of the laws against possession, sale, manufacture and transportation of intoxicating liquor or any crime involving moral turpitude within the last ten (10) years.

(2) A violation of subdivision (a)(1) is a Class A misdemeanor.

( (1) No alcoholic beverage within the scope hereof shall be sold between twelve o’clock midnight (12:00) and six o'clock a.m. (6:00 a.m.). No such beverage shall be sold between twelve o’clock midnight (12:00) on Saturday and eleven fifty-nine o'clock p.m. (11:59 p.m.) on Sunday. No such beverage shall be consumed, or opened for consumption, on or about any premises licensed hereunder, in either bottle, glass, or other container, after twelve fifteen o'clock a.m. (12:15 a.m.). Any county by resolution of the governing body may extend the hours for the sale of beer; provided, however, that the hours for the sale of beer in “clubs” as defined in § 57-4-102, shall conform to those hours for the sale of liquor by the drink as provided in chapter 4 of this title.

(2) A violation of subdivision ((1) is a Class C misdemeanor.

(3) This subsection ( shall not affect the power of governing bodies of municipal corporations or of Class B counties by ordinance to fix the hours when such beverages may be sold within the incorporated limits of such respective municipalities or within the general services districts of Class B counties outside the limits of any smaller city as defined in § 7-1-101. Municipal corporations may authorize the sale of such beverages in their respective corporate limits on Sundays or at such hours as may be prescribed by ordinance. Class B counties may authorize the sale of such beverages on Sundays in their respective general services districts outside their urban services districts and outside the limits of any smaller city or cities or in their respective urban services districts or in both or at such hours as may be prescribed by ordinance.

(4) The governing body of any county that has adopted liquor by the drink, as provided for in chapter 4 of this title, may fix the hours for the sale of beer within the county (that part of the county outside of incorporated municipalities). This provision shall not affect business establishments selling liquor by the drink and malt beverages as authorized by chapter 4 of this title.

(5) In any county in which an incorporated municipality has authorized the sale of liquor by the drink, as provided for in chapter 4 of this title, the hours for the sale of beer as defined in § 57-6-102, in that part of the county outside of incorporated municipxalities and in all of its municipalities which have authorized the sale of liquor by the drink, shall be the same as the hours authorized by the rules and regulations promulgated by the alcoholic beverage commission for establishments selling liquor by the drink; provided, however, that the county legislative body of any such county and the governing body of each municipality within the county which has authorized the sale of liquor by the drink shall have the authority to extend the hours for the sale of beer as defined in § 57-6-102, within the territorial jurisdiction of each governing body. This subdivision ((5) shall not apply to counties and municipalities that have legalized the sale of liquor by the drink by a county-wide referendum.

© It is unlawful for the management of any place where any beverage licensed hereunder is sold to allow any minor to loiter about such place of business, and the burden of ascertaining the age of minor customers shall be upon the owner or operator of such place of business.

(d) (1) (A) It is unlawful and punishable as provided in § 57-5-303, for any minor to purchase or attempt to purchase any such beverage.

( (i) In addition to any criminal penalty established in this section, a court in which a person younger than twenty-one (21) years of age but eighteen (18) years of age or older is convicted of the purchase or attempt to purchase or possession of beer in violation of this section shall prepare and send to the department of safety, driver control division, within five (5) working days of the conviction an order of denial of driving privileges for the offender.

(ii) The court and the department of safety shall follow the same procedures and utilize the same sanctions and costs for an offender younger than twenty-one (21) years of age but eighteen (18) years of age or older as provided in title 55, chapter 10, part 7, for offenders younger than eighteen (18) years of age but thirteen (13) years of age or older.

(2) Any person who purchases any such beverage for or on behalf of a person under twenty-one (21) years of age commits a Class A misdemeanor and, in addition to the punishment authorized by § 40-35-111, shall be punished pursuant to § 39-15-404.

(3) Any person under twenty-one (21) years of age who knowingly makes a false statement or exhibits false identification to the effect that the person is twenty-one (21) years of age or older to any person engaged in the sale of alcoholic beverages licensed hereunder for the purpose of purchasing or obtaining the same is guilty of a misdemeanor. In addition to any criminal penalty established by this subdivision (d)(3), a court in which a person younger than twenty-one (21) years of age but eighteen (18) years of age or older is convicted under this subdivision (d)(3) of a second or subsequent offense shall prepare and send to the department of safety, driver control division, within five (5) working days of the conviction, an order of denial of driving privileges for the offender for a period not to exceed one (1) year. The offender may apply to the court for a restricted driver license. The judge shall order the issuance of a restricted motor vehicle operator's license, in accordance with the provisions of § 55-50-502. The court and the department shall follow the same procedures and utilize the same costs for a person younger than twenty-one (21) years of age but eighteen (18) years of age or older as provided in title 55, chapter 10, part 7, for offenders younger than eighteen (18) years of age but thirteen (13) years of age or older.

(A) If the person violating this subdivision (d)(3) is less than eighteen (18) years of age, the person shall be punished by a fine of not less than fifty ($50.00) nor more than two hundred fifty dollars ($250) and not less than twenty (20) hours of community service work, which fine or penalty shall not be suspended or waived. The fine imposed by this subdivision (d)(3)(A) shall apply regardless of whether the violator cooperates with law enforcement officers by telling them the place the alcohol was purchased or obtained or from whom it was purchased or obtained.

( If the person violating this subdivision (d)(3) is eighteen (18) years of age or older but less than twenty-one (21) years of age, the person shall be punished by a fine of not less than fifty dollars ($50.00) nor more than five hundred dollars ($500) or by imprisonment in the local jail or workhouse for not less than five (5) days nor more than thirty (30) days. The penalties imposed by this subdivision (d)(3)( shall apply regardless of whether the violator cooperates with law enforcement officers by telling them the place the alcohol was purchased or obtained or from whom it was purchased or obtained.

(e) (1) It is unlawful for any person under twenty-one (21) years of age to have in the person's possession beer for any purpose, and it is unlawful for any such minor to transport beer for any purpose except the same be in the course of employment.

(2) A violation of subdivision (e)(1) is a Class A misdemeanor.

(3) Any person under twenty-one (21) years of age found to have violated the provisions of subdivision (e)(1) shall, regardless of the final disposition of such violation, have the right to have the records, as defined in § 40-32-101, of such violation destroyed after the passage of six (6) months from the date of the violation. Such destruction shall occur upon motion of the person to the court which heard the violation and shall be without cost to such person.

(f) Vendors shall post signs on the vendor's premises informing customers of the vendor's policy against selling beer to underage persons. The signs shall be not less than eight and one-half inches by five and one-half inches (8 ½² x 5 ½²), and shall contain the following language: IF YOU AREN'T 21 AND ARE IN POSSESSION OF BEER, YOU COULD LOSE YOUR DRIVER LICENSE.

[Acts 1933, ch. 69, § 9a; 1935, ch. 170, § 3; 1943, ch. 53, §§ 2, 5; C. Supp. 1950, § 1191.10; Acts 1961, ch. 170, § 1; 1963, ch. 222, § 1; 1965, ch. 321, § 5; 1970, ch. 353, § 1; 1972, ch. 555, § 1; 1978, ch. 537, § 1; impl. am. Acts 1978, ch. 934, §§ 7, 36; impl. am. Acts 1979, ch. 413, §§ 3, 4; T.C.A. (orig. ed.), § 57-221; Acts 1982, ch. 877, § 4; 1984, ch. 1006, §§ 4, 10, 18; 1985, ch. 321, §§ 2, 3; 1985, ch. 375, § 5; 1986, ch. 758, § 1; 1986, ch. 788, § 3; 1989, ch. 591, §§ 111, 113; 1991, ch. 473, § 4; 1996, ch. 641, § 5; 1997, ch. 423, §§ 1-3; 1998, ch. 780, § 1; 2006, ch. 864, § 12; 2006, ch. 900, § 2; 2006, ch. 986, §§ 3, 4, 6; 2008, ch. 877, §§ 1, 3; 2009, ch. 208, § 2.]

[Erik88]

cliff notes^^^?

[DaveTN]

thanks for the responses everyone. I'm not sure why people get so upset about it.

I'd still like to see proof of what the actual law is. Where is Falllguy and OhShoot?

ya, they tell us this is still the law. However, I get different answers depending on what manager I ask. That is why I was hoping someone here could find out what the actual laws are.

cliff notes^^^?

Good grief man…. You need him to come over to your house and hold your hand while he reads it to you?

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[tntnixon]

cliff notes^^^?

If you sell beer for off premesis consumption, you must require a valid photo ID for anyone who appears less than 50 years old. No photo ID requirement for liquor for off premesis consumption.

You may not sell liquor or beer for on premesis consumption to anyone who is less than 21 years old, but there is no requirement for asking for a photo ID.

[tntnixon]

Good grief man…. You need him to come over to your house and hold your hand while he reads it to you?

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Hey, he wanted to know what the law is, not me:D

[mikegideon]

I'm thinkin' that the problem might not be here. If you knowhutImean, Vern...

It's probably real effective. Maybe the other states have a problem with making people "show their papers" all the time.

[Erik88]

If you sell beer for off premesis consumption, you must require a valid photo ID for anyone who appears less than 50 years old. No photo ID requirement for liquor for off premesis consumption.

You may not sell liquor or beer for on premesis consumption to anyone who is less than 21 years old, but there is no requirement for asking for a photo ID.

cool thanks.

[laktrash]

I've stopped in Exxon before in uniform and a squad car and had 'em card me for a can of dip. It's their policy. I ain't gonna get mad at the employees for following their company's rules.

Exactly ! I 'm sure they don't enjoy getting grumbled at all day for simply trying to do there job which is getting to a rarity these days Goodness knows I can find more important things to run my blood pressure up

[BigK]

It does bother me a little, but only b/c they don't really check my DOB they just asked to see it to cover their a$$. They don't even look at it. They just look at it be able to say "I asked, they showed".

[strickj]

I rarely get asked for ID from anywhere for anything. So no it doesn't really bother me.

The zip code thing is a credit card thing to protect against theft.

Well I have to disagree here. After doing this for nearly 6 years I can look pretty quickly at the birthday and expiration date and glance at the picture. If the person is young like me then I take a longer look.

And yes I hate the zip code thing. I was buying something for my GF at Victorias Secret and they wanted my freaking zip code, email, blood type, sperm sample, and voter registration. It was ridiculous.

I've shopped there before. I would have given them the sperm sample. Why are you complaining?

[mikegideon]

I've shopped there before. I would have given them the sperm sample. Why are you complaining?

He has a limited amount of sperm?

[greenego]

Showed a clerk my draft card a couple of years ago while buying beer. (No I didn't burn it) She asked me if 1972 was the year I was born. I wish.

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

I've shopped there before. I would have given them the sperm sample. Why are you complaining?

Yea no doubt and if it was true I think I would "need" to buy something there everyday.

As for the ID thing I dont buy but a bottle of crown royal about once a year and really dont remember if I was carded or not, I wouldnt care either way. :shrug:

What I find odd is Kroger dont ask for an ID when I buy cigarettes but they do ask for my birthday, I have told them 1901 before and watched as they mindlessly entered it.

Then again maybe I do look over a hundred years old.

[Erik88]

haha Joe that's awesome! It reminds me of when I use my credit card at places like wal-mart. That stupid screen that makes you sign with that electronic pen is so pointless.

I usually sign "Darth Vader" or just "elvis" and it always says "signature accepted". So silly.

[Guest db99wj]

I just use my handgun permit.

[Punisher84]

And yes I hate the zip code thing. I was buying something for my GF at Victorias Secret and they wanted my freaking zip code, email, blood type, sperm sample, and voter registration. It was ridiculous.

Probably alot of sperm samples left around Victoria's Secret.

On topic though, no I don't get mad. I'm young, but nobody is confusing me for a high schooler I can tell you that.

[Erik88]

I just use my handgun permit.

well duh! And open carry would have prevented all of this

[DWARREN123]

Doesn't bother me but then I quit drinking alcoholic drinks in 1987.

[Guest clownsdd]

"The zip code thing is a credit card thing to protect against theft" nope, had them ask when I paid cash I give the following:

zip: 12345, phone: 1234567890