FFL lookup need contact info on the side arms

[Guest 1817ak47]

long story short. might need to verify proof of purchasing and obtaining a handgun. located in jonesboro. can anyone help me get contact info

[Guest 1817ak47]

no one?

[Reservoir Dog]

Not quite sure what you are asking for. Contact info for who?

[Oh Shoot]

Not quite sure what you are asking for. Contact info for who?

Echo that.

Long story short needs to be a tad longer.

- OS

[Guest BenderBendingRodriguez]

Your purchase, or someone else's?

[Reservoir Dog]

Your purchase, or someone else's?

That is another question I had.

OP: If it for a gun you purchased, go to the dealer where you made the purchase. They will probably give you a copy of your 4473, or a letter confirming your purchase. If you are looking for info on a firearm purchase made by someone else, you are out of luck. I highly doubt any FFL will give out the info to you regarding a purchase made by another person.

[Guest BenderBendingRodriguez]

That is another question I had.

OP: If it for a gun you purchased, go to the dealer where you made the purchase. They will probably give you a copy of your 4473, or a letter confirming your purchase. If you are looking for info on a firearm purchase made by someone else, you are out of luck. I highly doubt any FFL will give out the info to you regarding a purchase made by another person.

This. Dealers have to keep records of sales for auditing purposes, and they might be willing to provide you with a record of your own transactions, but there's no way in hell they're going to tell you what other people have been up to short of a court order.

[RinTN]

From ATF Online - Statistics - Listing of Federal Firearms Licensees -

01 1D 00719 "MILLER, STEPHEN H" ON THE SIDE ARMS 1645 ROCKY HOLLOW RD JONESBOROUGH TN 37659 PO BOX 353 JONESBOROUGH TN 37659 4232823091

[Guest BenderBendingRodriguez]

From ATF Online - Statistics - Listing of Federal Firearms Licensees -

01 1D 00719 "MILLER, STEPHEN H" ON THE SIDE ARMS 1645 ROCKY HOLLOW RD JONESBOROUGH TN 37659 PO BOX 353 JONESBOROUGH TN 37659 4232823091

That post made the OP make a lot more sense, but I still don't know how he's going to go about verifying the purchase/obtaining of the handgun. If he doesn't know the contact info of the FFL, it makes it seem more likely that he's not the one who made the purchase in question...

[Guest 1817ak47]

this is a ffl that sells at the gun shows. when he sell guns he just puts a stamp that says on the side arms. from moisture etc the ink has run. he doesn't have card

my wife (or ex wife) has a gun that I bought from him that is now in another state cause she left me! and it was not transfered! which is a felony technically speaking and I will attempt to have a judge make her give it back when thi8ngs go to court. I might need this to show proof of purchase since ffl's have to keep record for a certain # of years

[kb4ns]

my wife (or ex wife) has a gun that I bought from him that is now in another state cause she left me! and it was not transfered! which is a felony technically speaking and I will attempt to have a judge make her give it back when thi8ngs go to court. I might need this to show proof of purchase since ffl's have to keep record for a certain # of years

Did she move to another state and take the gun? Or did she sell it to a resident of another state?

[RinTN]

That post made the OP make a lot more sense...

I don't know that I would have understood the question either if I wasn't familiar with On the Side Arms.

[Dolomite_supafly]

Did she move to another state and take the gun? Or did she sell it to a resident of another state?

That question makes all the difference in the world. It is perfectly legal for her to move to another state and take her pistol with her. It is illegal for to transfer it to a person in another state without going through an FFL.

What does it say in the divorce decree?

Sounds to my like it was "joint" property and when she left she took it. It is going to boil down to you saying she took it without permission and she saying you gave it to her. I suspect a judge isn't going to order her to give it back unless you can prove ownership and a bill of sale during the marriage is not proof it was your gun but proof it was marital property. Now on the other hand if the gun was purchased after the divorce you may have grounds to get the gun back. I know it sucks but unless you can prove without a doubt she took it without your permission you are probably out a gun.

Dolomite

[VERO1]

I am thinking it is probably going to cost more to try and get the gun back, than just replacing it.

[Motasyco]

I don't know that I would have understood the question either if I wasn't familiar with On the Side Arms.

Punctuation and capitalization seem to be lost arts. I don't pretend to be an expert but it clearly would have helped in understanding the original post.

This thread brings to mind another question that may help clarify, or perhaps, muddy the situation. If a gun becomes "joint" property as described by Dolomite_supafly, could a purchase then, by default, be interpreted as a straw purchase? An example: My wife and I were at a gun show. She found a gun she wanted. I had "our" cash in my pocket as she was not carrying her purse, only her ID and credit cards. We both work, and have income that goes into the same bank account. If we go to a gun show and want to take cash, we get a lump sum from the account, not two withdrawals, one for each of us. That would be silly.

While she was going through the paperwork and background check, I decided to browse some nearby tables. I pulled out "our" cash and gave her the amount she would need for the purchase. The seller became alarmed and said he couldn't sell her the gun if I was paying for it. It would be illegal as she would be buying the gun for me. We explained that we were married and shared the same bank account and the money was ours, not just mine. We showed our IDs with the same last name and address. No go. The seller took plastic so she pulled out her debit card, from the same account the cash came from, and made the purchase.

If what Dolomite_supafly says is accurate, and it makes some sense considering community property laws, once the purchase was made, the gun belonged to both of us anyway. In the past, I've not purchased a firearm for her as a gift because of the described incident. By the vendors description, a gift would amount to a straw purchase as I had made the purchase intending it to be hers. I hadn't considered "joint" property. I do understand it is legal for me to sell a firearm to another state resident if that person can legally own a firearm. Would that be different than giving one as a gift to a person that meets the legal requirement for ownership? Is it only considered a straw purchase if one party cannot legally make the purchase themselves? If I buy a gun and it is also legally hers, every gun I buy becomes a gift to her. If, for some reason, she was unable to pass the background check (not the case, she has an HCP), would I be breaking the law when I buy a firearm because it also becomes hers? Perhaps one our legal experts could provide some insight.

Edited February 24, 2011 by Motasyco

[Reservoir Dog]

I don't know that I would have understood the question either if I wasn't familiar with On the Side Arms.

Ahhhh......now this makes much more sense.

Yes, punctuation and capitalization would have been nice.

[Oh Shoot]

That question makes all the difference in the world. It is perfectly legal for her to move to another state and take her pistol with her. It is illegal for to transfer it to a person in another state without going through an FFL. ...

Well, once she has moved to the other state, though, and become a resident by whatever means the state requires, then she can transfer it without FFL, assuming it is one of the 45 or so states that allow private transactions.

In TN, you can establish residency immediately...you only need intent to live here and a simple rent receipt will suffice for proof.

- OS

[Guest 1817ak47]

I had heard that if u change state residencys that you have to ffl transfer them, dunno if that is correct though. I am the one who's name is on the background check form.

[Dolomite_supafly]

I had heard that if u change state residencys that you have to ffl transfer them, dunno if that is correct though. I am the one who's name is on the background check form.

Nope, your firearms do not need to be transferred when moving to a new state. Not really sure how you could divorce yourself from the firearm. Most use a bill of sale but that isn't going to happen here. The other way is to report the gun stolen but in this case it isn't, she took part of the marital property when she left.

It should have been part of the divorce decree in some shape or fashion. That is unless you were trying to hide your firearms from the list of marital assets. If that is the case you weren't following the rules and got burned in the process.

I am making an assumtion so excuse me if I am wrong. I am assuming this is a pretty bitter divorce and both of you are no longer speaking. Unless this gun was a family heirloom or a really, really expensive gun I would cut my losses rather than have to deal with her anymore. People, as in your wife, can be very scornful and if she is staying out of your life it might be better to let things be.

Are both of you divorced now? I remember your previous thread about all of this and it seemed like you were on the right track to protecting yourself and your assets. Again, if all you are out at this point is a pistol I would consider yourself lucky because it could have been much, much worse.

Dolomite