After class comments/review: TresMon's Long Range Class/Seminar! (@ Bass Pro 2/6/11)

[TresMon]

I wanted to say thanks SO much to everyone who attended. You made it fun and asked GREAT questions. I hope you all learned and gained from our time.

Thanks again,

Tres

[Seaslug]

I wanted to say thanks SO much to everyone who attended. You made it fun and asked GREAT questions. I hope you all learned and gained from our time.

Thanks again,

Tres

There were 5 of us in our little group, and I think I can can speak for everyone when I say we most certainly did. I have exactly ZERO experience shooting anything beyond 200 yds., but I want to, and I saw this class as an opportunity to start adding more tools to the toolbox. I was not disappointed. The organization, information, and delivery were fantastic, and I couldn't help but walk away feeling like I had gotten my money's worth and then some.

For those of you in Nashville and Memphis (and elsewhere) who were considering putting together a group for Tres's class, do it! You won't regret it. Thanks again, Tres!

[Guest Quigley]

I haven't had an opportunity to shoot beyond 200 yds, but I'm looking forward to using the information learned. IMHO, Tres did a terrific job presenting the facts and I would highly recommend this class. I definitely got my money's worth.

[TresMon]

Thanks guys. It was a pleasure to meet you all.

[TresMon]

Here's a formal review of my class by an active duty tactical marksman. I received it in e-mail:

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Officer Hubb’s Review of “TresMon’s Long Range Shooting Clinic.†13FEB2011

First allow me give some background on myself. I have been in law enforcement for about 13 years. Those of you that have attended a LEO type course/school will understand this critique. I am an active duty FBI trained sniper on my local LE department SWAT team. I am the lead firearm instructor as well for our department.

It has been my experience that Law Enforcement officers use schools as a semi- vacation paid by their agency. At shooting classes/schools you’ll find a room full of (type A) students. Allow me to say I am not necessarily “that guyâ€. When we get to class we posture, size up the competition and get ready for the dreaded classroom portion of the school. When the course/school has anything to do with firearms, all we can think of is getting some trigger time. Being professionals we endure the lectures and take the written test. Obviously, this is not the most productive attitude to have when it comes to learning the finer points of long range shooting.

So to break tradition, I went to a “civilian†school that just concentrated on the classroom portion of long range shooting.

Course Title: TresMon’s Long Range Shooting /8hrs Date: 02/06/2011 Location: Bass Pro Shop, Sevierville TN Instructor: Tres MonCeret “TresMon†Price: $85; Local (to E. TN), Preregistered

Instructor Bio: Tres is a frequent contributor to the Sniper’s Hide and other forums. Just do a search and you’ll find he has several great posts. He previously joined the Marine Corps and is a very avid tactical shooter, so he is not a “civilian†by any means. Tres is a machinist by trade and a Christian by heart.

Topics:

Overview-Mil & Moa and all associated math

Exterior Ballistics: Line of sight Line of Departure Trajectory

Wind: Speed determination Determining value Associated cosine Constants Mirage

Air Density: What effects it, how and how it effects trajectory Density Altitude Standard Day Inclined fire

Moving targets/ Movers: Typical target speeds Common ways of leading Math associated w/ Movers Cosines of direction

Scopes: Types & Magnification Reticule style Turret/click values Calibrating the reticule Measuring the actual click value Reticule subtends Testing the tracking Torque specs for mounts Lapping rings All associated reticule/turret math Focusing & eliminating parallax Correcting Vs. Holding

Class Critique:

As you can see from the topics listed this is a very comprehensive clinic. The students who attended this school were either hunters or long range competitors. There was a no kidding a “nuclear engineer†in the class so the math conversations took on a whole new level of explanations. To my knowledge I was the only LEO in the class. Tres, although not an artist used a dry erase board to draw diagrams that explained the concepts he was teaching in such a way that “I got it†for the first time. Some of the topics he covered I had heard of though I did not completely understand until now.

I have read a ton of books and manuals on sniping. I have been through the FBI Sniper/ Observer course. I have never read or heard of some of the information I got from Tres’ class nor had it put in such an easy to understand way before.

Tres has a strong confident voice that made the lectures easy to listen to. Tres took the time to look at the students faces to see if they comprehended what he was explaining. He fielded every question put to him and would not move on until the student got the concept. What I find that is so unique about Tres is that he can explain very technical, precise concepts in almost layman terms.

The subject content was very well presented. Tres gave a disclaimer up front that this is the first class he has taught in the classroom environment, rather than on the firing line. I could not tell. He was well prepared- He scouted the conference room before hand, ran several different lesson plan schedules and had made back up plans incase of technical difficulties. He used scenarios that were sometimes in hunting language, competition language and sometimes in sniper lingo so everyone could understand what he was saying.

The only negative comments I have are not so much toward Tres but more for Bass Pro: the conference room we were assigned made me to feel like I was in a storage closet. The audio/visual equipment was either old or not functioning. Tres had to buy special order adapters just to get the antique equipment to work but due to recent winter storms causing shipping delays they did not arrive in time for the class. I feel like if Tres had a formal training/instructional facility this would have been more enjoyable.

In conclusion, Tres has an extraordinary ability to explain the mysterious science of long range shooting. If you need to understand all of the factors that effect shooting from 400 to 1400+ yards this is the class for you. I think this guy will be one of the names you will hear in the future as an instructor that is a must to train with.

Regards, BH

[mikegideon]

I was already pretty much sold. This did it.