just to see the flame war

[Mad_Squirrell]

Content warning. Contains tasteless or inappropriate language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qplhkyBaWDA&feature=fvwrel

Watch the video before making comment title is misleading

Edited February 5, 2011 by strickj
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[Guest Guy N. Cognito]

What's hilarious about that video is that I think that guy is serious.......

[Punisher84]

What's hilarious about that video is that I think that guy is serious.......

That and the joys of listening to "Bubba" wax philosophical and basically refer to women as "the lowest common denominator". Let's also toss the gay slur in there for good measure. This thread will have the staying power of a virgin shacking up with a porn star.

[Mad_Squirrell]

That and the joys of listening to "Bubba" wax philosophical and basically refer to women as "the lowest common denominator". Let's also toss the gay slur in there for good measure. This thread will have the staying power of a virgin shacking up with a porn star.

Ill have to remember that one like i said just browsin you tube stuff and thought i outta share

[Steelharp]

I found humor in the guys "Bunkeresque" seriousness.

[Punisher84]

Ill have to remember that one like i said just browsin you tube stuff and thought i outta share

It's not that certain parts of it aren't humorous, and I get where you were going with it, just thought the guy is either overdoing it or is really an ******* lol

[Mike.357]

there is a lot of humor in truth

[tnhawk]

I'll watch the video after I get my tupperware guns out of the dishwasher.

[Guest strelcevina]

Ill have to remember that one like i said just browsin you tube stuff and thought i outta share

i do to go randomly to youtube and search for 1911 videos, thanks for sharing

somehow i missed that one

[bockey]

I'll take any gun that goes bang and does the job.

[gregintenn]

Sadly, I guess, I follow his logic, and find it hard to dispute. The 1911 was pressed into service because of a storm of reports that the Colt 38 DA wasn't effective. The 1911 worked! For some reason I can't state, our military saw fit to return to an inferior handgun, the 92 Beretta. They did the same thing with the standard battle rifle.

Edited February 5, 2011 by gregintenn

[1gewehr]

Happy 100th Birthday Browning M1911 .45acp!!!! A century in service and STILL one of the world's best combat handguns!!! Nothing against Glocks and other Tupperware, but I wonder if any of them will LAST 100 years!! The oldest Glocks are barely 30. I wonder at what point the frames will start to get brittle?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I just took the video as humor. I have both and will keep both.

[Guest Big-A]

Happy 100th Birthday Browning M1911 .45acp!!!! A century in service and STILL one of the world's best combat handguns!!! Nothing against Glocks and other Tupperware, but I wonder if any of them will LAST 100 years!! The oldest Glocks are barely 30. I wonder at what point the frames will start to get brittle?

Do you have a 100 year old 1911 ? Does it still fire? Whats the round count down the pipe?

[Guest strelcevina]

Beretta is something Like 500 years old... does that make Beretta 5x better than 1911:)

[timcalhoun]

Do you have a 100 year old 1911 ? Does it still fire? Whats the round count down the pipe?

I know several people who own WW 1 era 1911s who shoot them regularly. You can get your own here if you keep an eye out. They will run WWB all day.

Whittaker Guns

[timcalhoun]

Beretta is something Like 500 years old... does that make Beretta 5x better than 1911:)

I think the model 92 was designed in the early 1970's. Maybe 72 if memory serves.

[timcalhoun]

Sorry............double tap.

[Guest DanE479]

Sadly, I guess, I follow his logic, and find it hard to dispute. The 1911 was pressed into service because of a storm of reports that the Colt 38 DA wasn't effective. The 1911 worked! For some reason I can't state, our military saw fit to return to an inferior handgun, the 92 Beretta. They did the same thing with the standard battle rifle.

YOU show me how the Beretta is inferior to the 1911. Leave caliber arguments out of it. Let's talk apples and apples.

Also, I think that the many many dead people killed by the Stoner design would argue abuot the "inferior" design of the M-16/AR-15.

Get real...

[Punisher84]

YOU show me how the Beretta is inferior to the 1911. Leave caliber arguments out of it. Let's talk apples and apples.

Also, I think that the many many dead people killed by the Stoner design would argue abuot the "inferior" design of the M-16/AR-15.

Get real...

Ask any combat vet who carried one. The Beretta M9 is a nice gun, but it's about worthless on the battlefield.

[Guest DanE479]

Let's define worthless.

Is it malfunctioning, faliling to fire, jamming?

Let's get specific without resorting to caliber arguments.

Tell me how a GI issue 1911 will out perform a Beretta 92 in reliability, function and any other quantifiable term.

[Punisher84]

Let's define worthless.

Is it malfunctioning, faliling to fire, jamming?

Let's get specific without resorting to caliber arguments.

Tell me how a GI issue 1911 will out perform a Beretta 92 in reliability, function and any other quantifiable term.

From people I talked to it was all of the above. I know there were several issues that got traced back to after-market mags, but I have heard from various people who deployed to Iraq that they did not like or trust the M9. In my opinion the manual of arms on a Beretta is overly complex. IE the down stroke of flipping the safety on a 1911 VS the up stroke on the M9. Depending on the soldier the M9 is bulky and the DA trigger pull is long and somewhat heavy as opposed to the crisp SA pull of the 1911.

You simply cannot ignore history. The 1911 has been in all types of terrain and fought several wars. Some of the most elite units in the US, and the world, still choose a 1911 platform. Is it the end all be all? No, but that doesn't mean it still isn't one of the best fighting pistols ever made.

FWIW I've never fired either in combat, but I've put plenty of rounds down range and worked on both in a training environment. I prefer the 1911.

Also, I'll add that your desire to leave the caliber debate out of it would make me think you yourself believe that the .45acp is a superior round. I don't buy the caliber BS myself, I'm a shot placement guy, but I think telling someone to "get real" over your opinion is a little silly.

Edited February 6, 2011 by Punisher84

[East_TN_Patriot]

Let's define worthless.

Is it malfunctioning, faliling to fire, jamming?

Let's get specific without resorting to caliber arguments.

Tell me how a GI issue 1911 will out perform a Beretta 92 in reliability, function and any other quantifiable term.

I do know that the Beretta M9 had some problems with stress fractures on the frames, they saw slides flying off on occasion, and some magazine problems in the desert environments. That's not to say that the 1911 design was flawless, but there's a reason that military special ops folks virtually always go to other designs besides the M9. You also can't deny the caliber argument. The 9mm round was chosen for convenience since it was the most common round in use by European NATO member nations, not because it was the most effective battlefield pistol round. Would I want to be shot with either one? Clearly not, but I'd personally rather have a higher caliber round on tap if I was headed into combat. I also find it disappointing that the US chose an Italian manufacturer for our standard issue sidearm. I will argue that the 1911 is one of the most innovative handgun designs in history and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see this one in common use in another 100 years while the Beretta M9/92 platform will be cast to the scrap heap of history.

Edited February 6, 2011 by East_TN_Patriot

[Guest DanE479]

Preference is irrelevant.

I am responding to the claim of "INFERIOR".

Define inferior in a meaningful way.

Inferior is an objective claim. So far, all I have heard is subjective opinions.

[Guest strelcevina]

YOU show me how the Beretta is inferior to the 1911.Let's talk apples and apples.

Ok Apples Vs Apples ,,that simple.

Off the shelf GI Model 1911 parts aren't easily interchangeable, do to flow in design and do to same design is highly sustainable to jamming, so much so that a simple stovepipe jam can completely disable 1911..making it unusable

i would compare it to over sized DD silicon boobs:) they look sexy , but they to big and there something is really wrong with them

Beretta M9 on the other hand ,, parts are easily interchangeable without any tools needed , open slide design is super easy to clear jam, and even in magazine failure still easier to load single bullet in the barrel. making it usable in any situations

Just like nice natural C size boobs ...just perfect