Chart of 9mm Sub-compact semi-auto guns

[mousegunner]

The newly announced Sig 290 moved me to make a chart of 9mm sub-compact guns. It's kind of rough, but may be of use to someone. I had to choose some arbitrary "cut off points" to make the chart....

Weight must be 20oz or less. Length must be 6.4 inches or less. Height must be 5.0 inches or less. Got to draw a line somewhere for "sub-compact!"

Edited January 4, 2011 by mousegunner

[Guest kerank]

Here is a web site that I found a couple of years ago. It helps when comparing numbers. I don't know how they get their numbers (it could be from the manufacturers data), but I would hope it is actual measurements...since you don't get consistent measures from the manufacturer.

http://www.genitron.com/HandgunDB/DB-Search-Handguns.asp

[Jonnin]

very nice, though it is missing a couple of models. Beretta px4, springfield XD, and while unsure of exact models there should be more glocks, taurus in the mix, as well as at least 1 HK and pretty sure ruger has one (?), and that is just off the top of my head. Not all these are labeled with the undefined terms "compact" or "subcompact" but are all less than 6.5 inches if memory serves, some may be slightly over 6.3 if that is your cutoff instead.

There are also some "off" brands such as bersa that probably have at least 1 contender.

[leroy]

Thanks Mousegunner!! We appreciate it.

Regards,

Leroy

[mousegunner]

It's difficult and arbitrary to say "here and no further" to be a "sub compact" pistol. I know! But my personal opinion is that any pistol heavier than 20 ounces is pushing the envelope. The PX4 weighs nearly 28 ounces and is 7.5 inches long. It won't work in my subcompact chart!

[Guest TnRebel]

the chart is wrong on the PT111 the Taurus PT111 Mil. Pros' have a capacity of 12 + 1

[Jonnin]

It's difficult and arbitrary to say "here and no further" to be a "sub compact" pistol. I know! But my personal opinion is that any pistol heavier than 20 ounces is pushing the envelope. The PX4 weighs nearly 28 ounces and is 7.5 inches long. It won't work in my subcompact chart!

Thats the fullsize, it has 3 sizes under the same name. Mine is the same length as my P-40 (same as the listed P-11), thats the subcompact version. I dont know the weight but its HEAVY for its size for sure. The rest of them I don't own, only looked at, and am not sure of the weights & lengths without looking each one up. The smallest XD fits in my pocket, so its 6.5 or less, but thats about all I know of it.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

I appreciate you work Mousegunner, and have greatly enjoyed your web page.

[Glock30]

That's quite handy and a nice reference for new shooters.. thanks for doing that.

[Kelemvor]

This is pretty nice, you should throw the CZ RAMI on there. It's 6.5" long, 4.7" high, 1.3" wide, weighs 19.2oz, has a 10+1 capacity, and costs $620.

[hipower]

Excellent work! Makes me think and look at some of the goodies I've bought in the name of smaller size. Some aren't that small.

[Guest oldsmobile98]

Thanks, Mousegunner!!

[DAdams]

http://www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf

This is one of the best comparisons and it is updated regularly. There is a specific criteria in terms of size and weight.

If you Google "mouseguns" there are many threads.

Thanks for your comparison.

[mousegunner]

It's going to get too wide for the screen! But thanks for the suggestions. I'll try to perfect it.

[mousegunner]

I've added the Boberg 9mm "shorty" to the chart. An impressive design, with rotating barrel, and pocket-sized.

[Guest TargetShooter84]

You forgot the Ruger LC9.....

[mousegunner]

You're right. Rats! I'm running out of space!

Here's a Ruger link: Ruger® LC9™ Centerfire Pistol Models

I added it to the chart, but it looks bad, and I need to re-do the whole thing!

Well, that will keep me out of trouble for a little while.

Edited January 3, 2011 by mousegunner

[Guest kwalker]

Where did you find the msrp for the p290? I was told at the gun store it would be 649+tax.

[Guest buttonhook]

BTW the walther is 23mm thick (according to Walther) which is .905" not 1.04" and it should say 7+1 not 6+1 because the 7 round mag is standard on the 9mm. 6 rounder is standard for the 40. The 6/5 and 8/7 for the 9mm/40cal are optional acc.

http://www.carl-walther.de/files/pdf/Defense-Katalog-2008-DE-EN.pdf

Edited February 6, 2011 by buttonhook

[mousegunner]

The problem with making charts like this: there is different info on different websites. Some measure the thickness in a certain way. Others another. Likewise weights, with or without a mag. I did my best, but no doubt there are errors of some sort. Sorry it's not PERFECT.

[Guest buttonhook]

I'm sure it's hard to make it perfect. I'm just trying to give you the correct or at least the manufacturers information so your chart will be as perfect as possible. That way we all can use the information and compare for our future shooting needs