How far before you pull your weapon?

[Guest Guy N. Cognito]

Why, when it served it's purpose? All I wanted was to meet the state's requirements. I'd already had far more and better weapons training both as a civilian and in the military... and that was before becoming involved in L.E... and I pretty much grew up with cops and attorneys, so already had a good grasp of the legal fundamentals.

Nah... this is more the reek of a wanna-be mall ninja internet commando than an actual fish...

So, no real qualifications to speak of... at least that you've told us about so far. I notice you don't mention any military service in your profile either.

Why? Any particular reason for that, other than you just liking men in uniform?

Yeah, it's pretty much gone to .

Ah well... nothing lasts forever.

To try to get this back on topic.....

While you may have thought that your life experiences meant that you didn't need the legal training that the HCP class provides, for others it is their first introduction to this type of information. Questions like the one that the OP asked are normal and common for the average civilian looking to get their HCP. Personally, I'm glad that some of us actually think about these things and ask questions, rather than just assume that they'll know what to do and have the baddassery to do what needs to be done without hesitation.

As to my credentials: You may poke fun all you wish. I do not have military or po-po experience. I have used a firearm in self-defense before, and I have obtained a lot of training around firearms and self defense. It has been my experience that neither a beret nor a badge necessarily mean that an individual is trained or even knowledgeable in these areas. I'm not, of course, speaking specifically of you because I know nothing of your background.....just a general observation. I have great respect for those who chose to serve their country or their community, but I don't presume them to be an expert on self defense simply because of their chosen profession.

[Guest Jamie]

To try to get this back on topic.....

Oh I think we're well past that, especially if you're just going to try and use doing so to dodge questions, or to obscure your... shortcomings?

While you may have thought that your life experiences meant that you didn't need the legal training that the HCP class provides, for others it is their first introduction to this type of information.

Wasn't talking about other people, at that point. I was directly addressing why there was absolutely no need for me to "take a better class". And given what I know about that particular class, and the comments from others on HCP classes as a rule... none of 'em are any great source of information or training on anything past basic safe gun handling. They are indeed a starting place, in that they allow a person to carry a gun without getting in trouble for it. But they are by no means a good source of how, when, and why to actually USE that gun. Further, better, and more advanced - and even different - training is a must for that.

Questions like the one that the OP asked are normal and common for the average civilian looking to get their HCP. Personally, I'm glad that some of us actually think about these things and ask questions, rather than just assume that they'll know what to do and have the baddassery to do what needs to be done without hesitation.

I think maybe you should review my responses to the OP and others on the subject...

As to my credentials: You may poke fun all you wish.

No need, as you apparently have none to poke fun at.

I do not have military or po-po experience. I have used a firearm in self-defense before, and I have obtained a lot of training around firearms and self defense. It has been my experience that neither a beret nor a badge necessarily mean that an individual is trained or even knowledgeable in these areas. I'm not, of course, speaking specifically of you because I know nothing of your background.....just a general observation. I have great respect for those who chose to serve their country or their community, but I don't presume them to be an expert on self defense simply because of their chosen profession.

Again with the "expert" title...

Sorry, but without any real experience doing the job, and thereby using the training in a real-world situation that brings, you have no basis to even judge what constitutes an Expert. And your opinion alone certainly doesn't carry the same weight or authority of people who have done more than simply train, just because you think it does. It just doesn't work that way.

It also doesn't lend much credibility to any class or training you've taken for you to simply give your personal opinion of how much you like or don't like it, if you've never had to put what you've learned to the test.

In other words, you can train with police, you can train with soldiers, you can train with professional hit men, for that matter... But until you had to actually use the training - and use it regularly, not simply one one occasion - you have no idea where it does or does not work, misses something, needs to be altered, or is just fine and needs to be strictly followed... for YOU. Not the guy next to you, or the fellow two weeks before or after you, but you personally.

And you also need to see how others use the same information, under the same conditions. That is part of the learning process as well.

Sorry, but in the end, you have proven exactly where that reek I mentioned earlier is coming from. And your opinion to the contrary cannot change that fact.

[TGO David]

Okey dokey... time for the lock.