Why didn't TSA get her?

[Guest mikedwood]

Here is what I have been saying proven! All this junk you have to go through to get on a plane but a 16 year old girl gets in the wheel well of a commercial airliner.

"Norfolk District Attorney William Keating cited evidence including a handprint in the wheel well, clothes strewn along the plane's flight path and an autopsy report indicating the teen fell "from a significant height.""

My Way News - DA: Teen found near Boston likely fell from plane

If she can do it then the terrorists can if they so chose and apparently they just haven't chose to do so yet for whatever reason. It's probably more fun for them to watch us trip all over ourselves coming up with and implimenting crazy a$$ security measures than to actually blow things up, if they aren't just in reality the boogy man.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

TSA has nothing to do with security. The same as all the gun laws aimed at protecting us. It

only depends on whether you buy into the alternate reality the liberals live in. There is a huge

lack of common sense in all those kinds of laws, otherwise they are intended for other things.

[mikegideon]

TSA has nothing to do with security. The same as all the gun laws aimed at protecting us. It

only depends on whether you buy into the alternate reality the liberals live in. There is a huge

lack of common sense in all those kinds of laws, otherwise they are intended for other things.

Liberals created the TSA? Those bastards

[Guest 6.8 AR]

No, didn't say that, but they are using the TSA to extremes when it appears to be not necessary,

like several gun laws:D

[mikegideon]

The TSA has been used to extremes since they got their little badges.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Agree with that. Glad I don't need to fly.

[Guest rockbottom12]

you mean like gun laws making it illegal to carry guns at schools parks federal buildings ect. So now these laws can protect us from people who would have broken the laws that says you cant shoot and kill people right?.

[Guest 85rx-7gsl-se]

BTW the deceased was a he.

[mikegideon]

you mean like gun laws making it illegal to carry guns at schools parks federal buildings ect. So now these laws can protect us from people who would have broken the laws that says you cant shoot and kill people right?.

You can probably blame 95% of the liberal lawmakers for having a hand in that stupidity, but they didn't get it done all by themselves. If all the liberals in government died tomorrow, some things would still suck. The TSA is one of them. The terrorists don't have to blow anything up, because our government is Stoopid.

[JayC]

No, didn't say that, but they are using the TSA to extremes when it appears to be not necessary,

like several gun laws:D

Not to disagree, but how is it different from the last administration? It is a republican former DHS head that is selling us all those porn scanners you know

[7dogguy]

Here is what I have been saying proven! All this junk you have to go through to get on a plane but a 16 year old girl gets in the wheel well of a commercial airliner.

"Norfolk District Attorney William Keating cited evidence including a handprint in the wheel well, clothes strewn along the plane's flight path and an autopsy report indicating the teen fell "from a significant height.""

My Way News - DA: Teen found near Boston likely fell from plane

If she can do it then the terrorists can if they so chose and apparently they just haven't chose to do so yet for whatever reason. It's probably more fun for them to watch us trip all over ourselves coming up with and implimenting crazy a$$ security measures than to actually blow things up, if they aren't just in reality the boogy man.

Yeah, I agree the farce of the TSA is just that - it makes some people feel "safe" but I don't know why. Until we adopt the policies/practices of countries that profile we will continue to waste time, whilst those who wish us harm will do so at times or try to. The real concern is if they cannot do it physically they can do it fiscally - how much have we wasted on "Department of Homeland Security"? Oh well...

Tragic death of the teenager, who may have been doing what teenagers do - something stupid without thinking of the seriousness of the action.

[7dogguy]

Agree with that. Glad I don't need to fly.

Unfortunately I have to quite a bit and went thru my first "back scatter picture show" this past Wednesday (in Providence RI). You know the same x-ray technology can be deployed in a vehicle to "see" into houses. Lots of questions on 4th amendment, etc, on that little issue - having the ability but when/what/how is it legal to use?

Government run amok and it ain't a liberal or conservative thing - it's a power thing from DC and state houses all around.

I contended post Sept 11 and continue to do so that if we give in to the azzholes who want to kill, kill, kill (and mask it in some twisted version of a "religion"), they get a win. They do nothing but work to figure out a way to either do harm, disrupt life, or otherwise meet a goal of terror. Wasn't it Lenin who said the purpose of terrorism is to terrorize?

We should not mistreat anyone, but it is time we rethink our "war on terror" - look for a context to the "war on drugs" and the total lack of efficacy (we are treating symtoms not the disease).

[7dogguy]

You can probably blame 95% of the liberal lawmakers for having a hand in that stupidity, but they didn't get it done all by themselves. If all the liberals in government died tomorrow, some things would still suck. The TSA is one of them. The terrorists don't have to blow anything up, because our government is Stoopid.

It ain't a liberal/conservative thing, Mike - it's the whole of government. Look at how much money has been made on security consulting, technology, new departments, etc - all in the name of "safety".

Ridiculous to the extreme. Nero fiddles while Rome burns.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I agree with you 7dogguy. Because I don't fly doesn't take any feeling I have away from the

subject. The TSA is being used politically to scare us in to submission. What else could it be

being used for? It doesn't prevent anything except inconveniencing us and is proving that it

may wreck the airline industry. It has very little to do with police work and is more like the

cold war border crossings between East and West Germany. But that's how we live in a post

racial Obama world.

Profiling is what police officers of all kinds:federal, state and local use, but has been bastardized

by the likes of the ACLU and liberal politicians for decades for the wrong reasons. They always

want to throw in the term "racial" with it to give it a flavor of racism. It has nothing to do with

racism at all. If a cop is given a description of the perp being 6 feet tall, white wearing a t-shirt

and jeans, he won't be looking for blacks. The same is true in reverse. That's not racism, but a

symptom of those who wish to destroy our country from within. Federal, state and local law

enforcement use profiling every day because it is useful and can be changed to meet changing

circumstances of a crime.

Making everyone go through a machine or be subject to a pat down by a TSA employee is

proving to be a waste of time and taxpayers money. The airlines would have done a more

efficient job of securing the passengers and their planes if that were allowed.

I doubt TSA even knows what they are looking for. We seem to be living in a "Brave New World"

with idiots running it, and if we don't change our course and quit submitting, Stalin's rotten

corpse will have been right about terrorism.

"Well, it was passed by the Bush administration." So was the entire Patriot Act and it should

go into the dust bin, also. If those of you wish to keep on blaming Bush for everything, you

might consider he was the sitting President during 9/11 and had his hands full at the time.

That time is past. Mistakes were most certainly made, but they don't need to continue.

This link gives a good argument for the justification of profiling. American Thinker: Ending the TSA Madness: Listen Up, Folks, Here's How You Win the Profiling Debate

[mikegideon]

Geez AR. This has nothing to do with Obama other than him allowing the TSA to continue their BS. The TSA has new, invasive toys, but are doing the same things in the same ways that they always have.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

How come this issue has become so enflamed by the public of late? I used Obama one

time describing his attitude of a post-racial society. Nothing else. The rest of it is liberal

politics run amok for the last hundred years. Bush had a liberal streak, too.

So, I guess you disagree about profiling? That was my main idea.

[Guest 85rx-7gsl-se]

I think he agrees with that Mike. It just appears he is saying at some point the Obama administration should do something about it or they are essentially making a ratification of the practices of the Bush administration. Thats just my $.02 from reading his post.

[mikegideon]

How come this issue has become so enflamed by the public of late? I used Obama one

time describing his attitude of a post-racial society. Nothing else. The rest of it is liberal

politics run amok for the last hundred years. Bush had a liberal streak, too.

So, I guess you disagree about profiling? That was my main idea.

I wasn't disgreeing with anything but blaming Obama for something that hasn't changed. They have been shaking down white grannies for years. It's why I quit flying.

[mikegideon]

I think he agrees with that Mike. It just appears he is saying at some point the Obama administration should do something about it or they are essentially making a ratification of the practices of the Bush administration. Thats just my $.02 from reading his post.

Maybe I read it wrong. This really is all about the TSA. Shoe bomber... everybody take off your shoes. Underwear bomber... we're gonna X-ray your nutz. Butt Bomber... Oh no!!!

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Our security at airports is reactive, not proactive. That appears to be paramount with the

whole terrorism problem from the beginning. When the CIA had had more human beings

gathering intelligence, instead of relying on CNN and satellites, it may not have been as

real time, but it was much more reliable.

Homeland Security, TSA and whatever else changed with 9/11 has caused as many problems

as they may have appeared to fix. Aggressive use of intelligence and prevention of identified

causes do much more than any pat down will ever. We learned a lot during the Cold War.

We seem to have forgotten it.

Instead of the Patriot Act and pat downs, we should be doing some of the things Tom Clancy

wrote about in "Teeth of the Tiger": Identifying and eliminating the problem child.

Broadcasting a strong message to the world, instead of submission to everyone muslim or

communist, would go a long way in this fight against terrorism. Our change from supporting

Israel to supporting Palestine hurts the situation, also.

I think our actions and political doctrine of the moment, are actually encouraging terrorism.

That usually doesn't end well. TSA is a waste of resources.

[mikegideon]

Our security at airports is reactive, not proactive. That appears to be paramount with the

whole terrorism problem from the beginning. When the CIA had had more human beings

gathering intelligence, instead of relying on CNN and satellites, it may not have been as

real time, but it was much more reliable.

Homeland Security, TSA and whatever else changed with 9/11 has caused as many problems

as they may have appeared to fix. Aggressive use of intelligence and prevention of identified

causes do much more than any pat down will ever. We learned a lot during the Cold War.

We seem to have forgotten it.

Instead of the Patriot Act and pat downs, we should be doing some of the things Tom Clancy

wrote about in "Teeth of the Tiger": Identifying and eliminating the problem child.

Broadcasting a strong message to the world, instead of submission to everyone muslim or

communist, would go a long way in this fight against terrorism. Our change from supporting

Israel to supporting Palestine hurts the situation, also.

I think our actions and political doctrine of the moment, are actually encouraging terrorism.

That usually doesn't end well. TSA is a waste of resources.

This! For all the money we've spent, and all the folks we've killed, the terrorists have accomplished their mission. They didn't knock down the WTC to kill thousands. They knocked it down to change the behavior of millions.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

It's what happens when you run out of, or select the wrong leadership. The cause of our poilitical doctrine

to change had everything to do with the mess we are in. For any of his other faults one might throw

out, the last true leader like what we need right now, was Ronald Reagan.

When liberalism gets a grip on the political scene, historically, we have become a weaker nation. The Carter,

Clinton and Obama regimes proved this too well. Not saying the Bush's were perfect, but they did seem

to have a better grip on controlling aggression, overall. W had to do some things hastily and even he came

up with a plan. To date, has Obama dealt with anything other than health or pork spending and acting like a

submissive sissy? It points in the direction I've feared, like a lot of others, that he is trying to really change

America into something we wouldn't recognize. The only problem with that is that he doesn't even know

how to do that. Thank God!

I believe the TSA is just going to be used as a conditioning tool for a police state until Obama is run out of

office. He is trying to control the wrong people for the wrong reason. I was much more comfortable during

the cold war. The enemy was much better defined.

"Russky's don't take a dump without a plan, son." Red October

Where's yours, Barack?

[mikegideon]

I'm not so sure how much you can blame on the leadership either. This country is plumb full of pansies these days.

[7dogguy]

I agree with you 7dogguy. Because I don't fly doesn't take any feeling I have away from the

subject. The TSA is being used politically to scare us in to submission. What else could it be

being used for? It doesn't prevent anything except inconveniencing us and is proving that it

may wreck the airline industry. It has very little to do with police work and is more like the

cold war border crossings between East and West Germany. But that's how we live in a post

racial Obama world.

Profiling is what police officers of all kinds:federal, state and local use, but has been bastardized

by the likes of the ACLU and liberal politicians for decades for the wrong reasons. They always

want to throw in the term "racial" with it to give it a flavor of racism. It has nothing to do with

racism at all. If a cop is given a description of the perp being 6 feet tall, white wearing a t-shirt

and jeans, he won't be looking for blacks. The same is true in reverse. That's not racism, but a

symptom of those who wish to destroy our country from within. Federal, state and local law

enforcement use profiling every day because it is useful and can be changed to meet changing

circumstances of a crime.

Making everyone go through a machine or be subject to a pat down by a TSA employee is

proving to be a waste of time and taxpayers money. The airlines would have done a more

efficient job of securing the passengers and their planes if that were allowed.

I doubt TSA even knows what they are looking for. We seem to be living in a "Brave New World"

with idiots running it, and if we don't change our course and quit submitting, Stalin's rotten

corpse will have been right about terrorism.

"Well, it was passed by the Bush administration." So was the entire Patriot Act and it should

go into the dust bin, also. If those of you wish to keep on blaming Bush for everything, you

might consider he was the sitting President during 9/11 and had his hands full at the time.

That time is past. Mistakes were most certainly made, but they don't need to continue.

This link gives a good argument for the justification of profiling. American Thinker: Ending the TSA Madness: Listen Up, Folks, Here's How You Win the Profiling Debate

I don't think prohibition against any type of profiling occurred just in the last two years (to my point this ain't lib/con issue imho), but we do need something to give. I have flown around 80-90 thousand miles over the last year (next year should not be so intense), gone to a lot of airports from here to the bottom of the world and can tell you, some guy or gal scrounging around in your baggage (or your pants) will of course catch an obvious (read idiot) doing something. Most times, all it does is cause someone to have to dump out their mouthwash or throw away a pair of nail clippers.

Dedicated lunatics will find other ways - take a look around at any airport and the task of keeping it secure is monumental. Wasting money on mall cops at screening stations is not the answer.

Anyway, I get to experience the joy () again Wednesday.

[7dogguy]

I'm not so sure how much you can blame on the leadership either. This country is plumb full of pansies these days.

Perhaps more a lack of leadership, as in the pansies run the world. Look at elected people and how few have served in the military - and the number goes down all the time. The government keeps intruding- eat this, don't eat that, watch out for this, etc. And I don't mean good advice, rather, the rash of laws getting passed.

TSA falls into that Nanny State mentality so prevalent. Maybe we should think about who is in this country, why, and keep better tabs on loonies (homegrown and imported).