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[Guest DrBoomBoom]

Rule #1: Keep guns unloaded until ready to use.

Rule #2: Always keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

Rule #3: Keep finger out of trigger well until ready to shoot.

I see no problem with rule #1. We have a bunch of guns, a few of them are kept loaded, those are the ones we're using...for home defense. I thought someone would take issue with The Rabbi's rule number three. Some websites have folks that will give grief about that rule.

My son will see this picture before he gets his first handgun. He's got Cooper's rules memorized and has the NRA safety brochure. Heck, it's good for an old fart like me to see this. Complacency can lead to carelessness. Carelessness can be deadly.

[Guest Engloid]

A gun used for self defense is potentially always ready for use. Therefore always loaded.

A gun about to be cleaned is not.

I can go along with that. I do the same thing. The guns I have for hobby shooting do not stay loaded. The ones I keep for defense are loaded.

[Guest TargetShooter84]

I can go along with that. I do the same thing. The guns I have for hobby shooting do not stay loaded. The ones I keep for defense are loaded.

Thats pretty much what I do....my guns for target shooting is always unloaded but when I carry, its loaded.

[Mike.357]

As a rule I do not keep guns loaded around aside from the one in am carrying. Sometimes though like today when Boom came over to shoot I put my carry gun in the safe as I was not going to shoot it. A loaded gun in my safe is ALWAYS holstered. The carry gun only comes out of the holster for two reasons, one is to unload it if I am switching off, the other has not and hopefully will never come into play.

If one observes Cooper's 4 rules and never breaks more than one of the rules there will never be any bloodshed from negligence.

Don't know how anyone could possibly have a problem with Rabbi's rule #3.

[deerslayer]

Don't know how anyone could possibly have a problem with Rabbi's rule #3.

Oh boy...

I wholeheartedly agree, but there's a guy on here who will probably soon lecture us all...

[Guest Boomhower]

My son will see this picture before he gets his first handgun.

That was the first thing I did when I opened up this thread. I pulled my 6 yr old son over to the computer to look at the picture, but only after we reviewed the rules of safety again. I use ever opportunity I get to teach him the proper way's, and this visual (although pretty graphic) was a good aid in hammering home the reason why we are to always follow the safety rules.

It actually pretty cool. Everytime he use to see one of my guns, you could see the intrigue run all over his face and the questions started popping out of every angle. Now we've went over the rules so many time, when we're wrestling around in the floor and he bumps the handle of my CW in my waist band, he doesn't even think twice. I think I have succeeded, for the most part, in boring him with the idea of guns at an early age.

[Guest db99wj]

Problem here was not with any gun or design, it was simply not following the rules. He either did not clear the chamber to start or he did not take out the magazine, "cleared" the weapon, but in his error, re chambered another round. Either way, he made a fatal, or in the case, a ginormous exit wound in his hand, mistake. This would have happened with an XD, Glock, 1911, revolver, AR, etc.

[Guest strelcevina]

wow:( that is big wound

i saw some pictures with 9mm and .45 wounds. it was same size hole on both sites.

and that .40 hole is best example of how deadly .40 is.

short and weak just isn't true . it is more perfect and deadly.

sorry for your friend , hope he will full recover from that nasty shoot

[Guest DrBoomBoom]

Quote Mike 357:

"Don't know how anyone could possibly have a problem with Rabbi's rule #3."

Quote deerslayer:

"Oh boy...

I wholeheartedly agree, but there's a guy on here who will probably soon lecture us all...:rolleyes:"

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Oh, we've got one here too, eh. I caught h*ll on another forum for posting the four rules. You'd have thought I said the Clinton lock was the best thing Smith ever did.

Here are the four rules, again might not be verbatim:

1. All guns are always loaded.
   
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
   
3. Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
   
4. Identify your target, and what is behind it.

Maybe they'll get him riled up. It ought to be fun.

[Guest jackdog]

Gang if you follow rule # one you will never have a problem. I was trained as a child , that every firearm you see or touch is loaded.

[et45]

That must have hurt.

[towerclimber37]

Jackdog is right. Its too bad that this man will now lose the use of that hand because he forgot safety!

remind him please that safety means putting the bullets in the bad guys..not yourself.

[strickj]

my cw is always loaded and my others are unloaded but with loaded mags sitting next to them incase the zombies attack again

my 12gauge sitting next to my bed has a mag full and one sitting on the elevator so as i pick it up by the forend it loads.

and yeah always assume a gun is loaded like siad

[DMark]

Gang if you follow rule # one you will never have a problem. I was trained as a child , that every firearm you see or touch is loaded.

AGREE - Teach Your Children Well!

I am always amazed by folks that don't understand that simple # 1 Rule.

[Guest DrBoomBoom]

Gang if you follow rule # one you will never have a problem. I was trained as a child , that every firearm you see or touch is loaded.

I agree, idealistically. But I used to tell my kids, "Be good." Well pretty soon it became, "Be good, don't play with daddy's fishing stuff." That moved to, "Be good, don't play with daddy's fishing stuff, don't leave your dirty underwear in the living room."

The firearm training I received as a kid was the same as yours, jackdog, every gun is loaded, my Mom wouldn't even let me point my toy gun at her, I'd catch it. But, I see the wisdom in approaching that from different angles, and showing different applications, as in Cooper's rules.

My son will be getting his first handgun soon, he'll be 21. He's a smart kid. When he was young, we shot a blank in the house, that got both his and his sister's attention. It was a little more than just telling them, as we did, that every gun is loaded. I've made a condition of the present (a Smith M&P 9mm compact...hope he's not reading this, ha ha) that he memorize the four Cooper rules, and read through the NRA booklet, which contains a lot more. But they all boil down to one thing. Them guns go "bang!"

[Guest TargetShooter84]

I agree, idealistically. But I used to tell my kids, "Be good." Well pretty soon it became, "Be good, don't play with daddy's fishing stuff." That moved to, "Be good, don't play with daddy's fishing stuff, don't leave your dirty underwear in the living room."

The firearm training I received as a kid was the same as yours, jackdog, every gun is loaded, my Mom wouldn't even let me point my toy gun at her, I'd catch it. But, I see the wisdom in approaching that from different angles, and showing different applications, as in Cooper's rules.

My son will be getting his first handgun soon, he'll be 21. He's a smart kid. When he was young, we shot a blank in the house, that got both his and his sister's attention. It was a little more than just telling them, as we did, that every gun is loaded. I've made a condition of the present (a Smith M&P 9mm compact...hope he's not reading this, ha ha) that he memorize the four Cooper rules, and read through the NRA booklet, which contains a lot more. But they all boil down to one thing. Them guns go "bang!"

He'll like the gift....I know I would!

[Guest HogMan]

Yep, thats going to leave one hell of A scare.

[DMark]

OK..., Lets be a bit Non Sensitive.

What ammo was it?

Very good expansion. Appears to be an exit wound to me. Did they recovered the bullet?

I've seen this very same type of wound happen to folks who use the "Over The Top" hand slide rack or "Stove Pipe Sweep."

[Guest Mugster]

At point blank like that, you don't even need a bullet. The hot gas from the powder is probably enough to do that on its own. People have committed suicide with blank rifle ammo, and it will blow the skull apart.

I don't see any bone fragments in or near the hole. I'm kinda wondering if its a fake picture. Perhaps the docs removed the bone stuff already, i dunno.

If it is a real wound, i'd guess the guy is a candidate for amputation. I'd doubt the hand will ever work right with that much damage. Hopefully things turn out ok in the long run.

[HanSolo]

I actually carry an XD subcompact 40 and I have to say that out of all of my guns that my XD is the one that is the hardest to mistake loaded and have an accident like this one with. Not only do you have to be holding the gun there are two inidicators on the gun which show if there is one in the chamber, which is one of the features i really like about the gun.....needless to say, any firearm can kill you or take a nice chunk out of you and should always be handled as if it could fire at any time (especially if it is a glock, because it probably will).

[Guest db99wj]

I actually carry an XD subcompact 40 and I have to say that out of all of my guns that my XD is the one that is the hardest to mistake loaded and have an accident like this one with. Not only do you have to be holding the gun there are two inidicators on the gun which show if there is one in the chamber, which is one of the features i really like about the gun.....needless to say, any firearm can kill you or take a nice chunk out of you and should always be handled as if it could fire at any time (especially if it is a glock, because it probably will).

Also, if he was taking it apart, he would have had to bring the slide all the way back in the locked position in order to get the lever to move through the channel on the slide. This guy failed before that step by not dropping the magazine and clearing the chamber.

[Guest Engloid]

I was trained as a child , that every firearm you see or touch is loaded.

Somebody obviously lied to you.

[VERO1]

Glad you posted this photo. I recently took my 12 year old to the range for the first time, this photo made him understand why those rules on the wall were put there. A photo is worth a thousand words sometimes.

[Guest bob-e]

he said it was a SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD SUB-COMPACT .40

Now all you guys that were thinking Glock, say you're sorry:p

What ammo was that. Created some hella damage!

[Guest cdsusong]

now before all of you guys and gals who love glocks, as do I, go crazy here, let me tell you a story. My buddy who is a big gun guy and has vast knowledge on firearms and safety, was taking his glock 40 cal down for cleaning. Oh it gets better. as many of you glock folks know, to release the slide you push the slide back slightly and release the slide pins on both sides and then slide forward to come off. My buddy pushed the slide back from the barrel side and noticed it wouldnt move as normal. then he thought "oh yeah the trigger has to be released for the slide to move" this is where it gets crazy. as you can imagine, with the mag out and all his gun knowledge......BAM! right through his left palm. Always,Always,Always place your right hand on the back of the slide near the rear sights and squeeze the slide back then release the slide locks. Never put your hand in front of the barrel. PLEASE!!!! Now he has healed up very nicely and only suffered a couple of broken fingers and a big hole in his hand. But after a cast, theropy, and a reality check, he is good to go. It does not matter what type of gun it is, always treat it as it were loaded. NO MATTER WHAT!