Explain Mexico to me

[laktrash]

I usually don't post this type of thread, but

Why does Mexico get away with anything they want to do from

600 yard drug tunnels that could provide entrances for terrorist

illegals basic coming and going as they please and swarming our country

Killing our citizens for a wave runner on the wrong side of the lake

Sherriffs aren't allowed to do their jobs "I guess they Might offend someone"

No cooperation at all from the Mexican gov.

The list goes on nobody seems to acknowledge the problem. We get involved in problems all over the world. but don't want protect our "back yard" Sorry to post this but I just don't understand the lack of interest to do something about this problem.

[Garufa]

I feel your angst.

We wouldn't want to offend our workforce now would we.

[Guest Drewsett]

Oh to have another "Black Jack" Pershing....

I doubt the cartels are as tactically or strategically skilled as Pancho Villa was, and lord knows we're better equipped than we were back then.

[trblmkr13]

The Country is ran by the cartels and they are scared of no one inside of Mexico not even the Mexican army detours them they need to be annexed and treated as a colony they have allot of raw materials we could use

[towerclimber37]

Historically, we've always been Mexico's "big brother" after the past late unpleasantness about land and such (they started that, btw, we just took advantage of their stupidity).

While this normally hasn't been a problem, the more countryside that the government loses control over, the more the drug cartels take.

they prey upon both Mexicans and Americans alike.

I don't advocate annexation or invasion...that would be imperialism and we're not imperialists, no matter what the lefties say...if we were, Europe would be a wholly owned and operated subsidiary of North America.

I say help the mexican government, within reason. clamp down on our border and stop illegal immigrants from getting through...secure the border first and at the same time, deport illegals.

THEN adjust our immigration quotas to reflect our need.

and get rid of the anchor babies.

amend the constitution to reflect that.

[laktrash]

Well the "the drug tunnel" didn't make the 6:30 national news unless I missed it. Unless you happened to catch some of this stuff you never would no whats going on, it's some whoever "some " may be wwant to keep this problem quiet and I feel it a much larger problem than people are willing to accept. How bad do you think the gangs are here already. The priorities are all wrong

[trblmkr13]

If we really locked down the border it would put the cartels out of business

[Guest KimberChick]

If we really locked down the border it would put the cartels out of business

I dunno. They'll just find a new way to get it in here. Think "Drifting Sea-WEED recovery" along South Florida coasts in the 80s. Stuff was washing ashore.

[VERO1]

I think it's because they sell us a butt-load of oil every year! To many people making to much money on legal imports to risk pissing the mexican government government off. Can't afford to kill the cash cow, now can we?

[Chief07]

Build the damn fence and enforce our laws.

Anyone with common scense can figure that out.

"The One" and his Attorny general are a couple of nitwits.

[laktrash]

I think it's because they sell us a butt-load of oil every year! To many people making to much money on legal imports to risk pissing the mexican government government off. Can't afford to kill the cash cow, now can we?

I could buy in to that but what about the middle east

What bugs me is no one acknowledges it

Every time some one in the middle east "takes a leak" you hear about it for a week A tourist gets shot on wave runner here "nothing" If that had happened "over there" the media would have been all over it "WHY"

[Guest HvyMtl]

It is complex.

And SAD.

The major issues with Mexico are: The lack of a strong central government. It simply does not have one. In addition, it is a poor country. So, "those with the money, make the rules," is even more entrenched in Mexico than here. Their economy is in tatters, and has been, for decades.

Our, yes OUR, drug need has exploded since the 1960's, and has dramatically influenced Mexico, as the drug trade (from South America to the US) has to have a supply route. Add this need to the two above issues and you have the mess Mexico is today.

Realistically, building a fence is very expensive, and ineffective. I have seen how the standard fencing, approved by Homeland Security, is easily circumvented. By either going over, under, or through in minutes or less. To prevent such, one would have to militarize the border. Again very costly. Try that with the deficits we presently have...

In addition, the lure of easy jobs and big pay in the US is overly tempting to a poorer nation.

Corporations, down to Mom and Pops, employ illegals knowingly, and get away with it. As they see the minimal fines and the lack of enforcing (again, costly) present employment laws as little incentive to be legal, versus the big cost savings of paying illegals very little money, instead of paying a citizen minimum wage (and additional costs such as SSI and unemployment insurance) to do the same job. Pay an illegal $5 an hour and save approximately $10 an hour compared to a minimum wage worker. Besides, you can force an illegal to work more with no breaks compared to a citizen.

That is as basic as I can get it...

[Raoul]

It is complex.

And SAD.

The major issues with Mexico are: The lack of a strong central government. It simply does not have one. In addition, it is a poor country. So, "those with the money, make the rules," is even more entrenched in Mexico than here. Their economy is in tatters, and has been, for decades.

Our, yes OUR, drug need has exploded since the 1960's, and has dramatically influenced Mexico, as the drug trade (from South America to the US) has to have a supply route. Add this need to the two above issues and you have the mess Mexico is today.

Realistically, building a fence is very expensive, and ineffective. I have seen how the standard fencing, approved by Homeland Security, is easily circumvented. By either going over, under, or through in minutes or less. To prevent such, one would have to militarize the border. Again very costly. Try that with the deficits we presently have...

In addition, the lure of easy jobs and big pay in the US is overly tempting to a poorer nation.

Corporations, down to Mom and Pops, employ illegals knowingly, and get away with it. As they see the minimal fines and the lack of enforcing (again, costly) present employment laws as little incentive to be legal, versus the big cost savings of paying illegals very little money, instead of paying a citizen minimum wage (and additional costs such as SSI and unemployment insurance) to do the same job. Pay an illegal $5 an hour and save approximately $10 an hour compared to a minimum wage worker. Besides, you can force an illegal to work more with no breaks compared to a citizen.

That is as basic as I can get it...

Don't forget intense nationalism as a result of our taking territory from them.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Like Chief07 said; build the damned fence and enforce the laws, vigorously.

Get rid of that SCOTUS ruling that allowed the anchor baby problem.

You have to start somewhere.

[leroy]

...If we really locked down the border it would put the cartels out of business ...

Sadly, there is a great truth contained in this post. Money (...drug and otherwise...) buys lots of friends in lots of places.

Keep up the good work!

Leroy

[Guest strelcevina]

[/u]rblmkr13;632169]If we really locked down the border it would put the cartels out of business

Did you thought what would happened with millions and millions American Junkies suddenly no access to Drugs.

Can u say home burglarys .

Closing borders would cause real zombie apocalypse.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Did you thought what would happened with millions and millions American Junkies suddenly no access to Drugs.

Can u say home burglarys .

Closing borders would cause real zombie apocalypse.

Strel, what would they be burglarizing if they didn't have the ability to have the drugs?

They already burglarize to get the money to buy the drugs.

I would gladly start shooting Zombies:D

[Guest strelcevina]

Strel, what would they be burglarizing if they didn't have the ability to have the drugs?

They already burglarize to get the money to buy the drugs.

I would gladly start shooting Zombies:D

If junkie thinks that u have hidden painkillers somewhere in ur house.

BTW I would join u

[Guest KimberChick]

Strel, what would they be burglarizing if they didn't have the ability to have the drugs?

They already burglarize to get the money to buy the drugs.

I would gladly start shooting Zombies:D

They'd just switch from cocaine/crack and opiate based drugs to meth. Nothing in a batch of bathtub crank needs to be smuggled and I seriously doubt a junkie would weather withdrawal when he could just as easily switch to something cheaper that's homegrown. In turn, it'll make it harder for the rest of us to get things like cold medicine, rechargable batteries, Draino, matches and even HEET or starting fluid for our vehicles/lawn equipment. Mississippi residents already need a prescription for Sudafed....imagine a copay of 20/40/50 bucks to get a 3.99 box of cold pills.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Then the meth problem would have to be taken seriously, instead of just taking

Sudafed off the shelves. The burglaries for prescriptions in someone's home is

already a problem. I don't have a complete answer, but legalizing isn't it. These

meth heads, like the dope heads are a problem. Remove the problem. Leave the

rest of us alone, or face a gun. It will take a unified attack to get rid of the

problem.

We tend to turn our heads away about these issues. That needs to stop.

[1gewehr]

For what we spend on the insane 'War on Drugs', we could put every single addict in drug rehab and still save a bunch of money.

As far as Mexico goes, they seem to have three basic problems.

1) A government made up of people that are just out to get what they can from abusing their power. (Gee, sound familiar?)

2) Our idiotic War on Drugs that makes their already bad crime and corruption much worse.

3) Crime, corruption, and culture that make it difficult to get ahead from hard work and thrifty living. That is one reason why so many come up here. When they earn a dollar in the US, they don't have to worry about every petty crook taking his 'mordida' from it (except the government). And when you make a little progress, you don't have every person around you trying to steal a bit because you are now 'rich'.

[strickj]

It is complex.

And SAD.

The major issues with Mexico are: The lack of a strong central government. It simply does not have one. In addition, it is a poor country. So, "those with the money, make the rules," is even more entrenched in Mexico than here. Their economy is in tatters, and has been, for decades.

Our, yes OUR, drug need has exploded since the 1960's, and has dramatically influenced Mexico, as the drug trade (from South America to the US) has to have a supply route. Add this need to the two above issues and you have the mess Mexico is today.

Realistically, building a fence is very expensive, and ineffective. I have seen how the standard fencing, approved by Homeland Security, is easily circumvented. By either going over, under, or through in minutes or less. To prevent such, one would have to militarize the border. Again very costly. Try that with the deficits we presently have...

In addition, the lure of easy jobs and big pay in the US is overly tempting to a poorer nation.

Corporations, down to Mom and Pops, employ illegals knowingly, and get away with it. As they see the minimal fines and the lack of enforcing (again, costly) present employment laws as little incentive to be legal, versus the big cost savings of paying illegals very little money, instead of paying a citizen minimum wage (and additional costs such as SSI and unemployment insurance) to do the same job. Pay an illegal $5 an hour and save approximately $10 an hour compared to a minimum wage worker. Besides, you can force an illegal to work more with no breaks compared to a citizen.

That is as basic as I can get it...

This....and what Kimberchick said.

"securing" our border usually means to put up (or finishing) a fence.

A fence along our border will keep illegals out about like a fence around a garden will keep critters from eating your tomatoes.

The fence-less desert is only one way that they're getting in. One tiny way.

There's also air, underground, and by water.

Not to mention that what little part is actually fenced now, doesn't work. They still go through it, under it, and over it.

The only way to stop it is by either Mexico becoming as good or better the the US. Or, by the US becoming as bad or worse then Mexico.

Sadly we're not that far away from the latter, eh?

Edited November 5, 2010 by strickj

[monkeylizard]

Either way, Western Union makes money.

[Guest 44M]

"Why does Mexico get away with anything they want to do" ...corruption