WallyWorld ammo question

[Backon4]

Actually you are wrong about unions and foreign car companies. Many of them in fact have unions in their plants. Everything from the UAW to Pipefitters and Electricians. You can blame the unions all you want but you are grossly exaggerated if you think the average union employee makes $40 an hour. I know MANY people who worked for various unions and don't know anyone who made anywhere near that. A better assumption would be half of what you are suggesting. Also do you work a 40 hour work week? Do you get over time for that? Do you work in a safe work environment? Do you receive benefits from your employer? Do you get paid vacation days and holidays off? If you answered yes to any of these questions you owe it to unions. If it weren't for people banding together to get these issues that are all standard to most employers now, you would have nothing. Unions are responsible for creating the middle class. Are there some things they have done wrong in recent years? Yes, but the good they have accomplished for all of us far outweighs the bad. Also for all those who have a problem with the 30 and out policy you need to know this, the average life expectancy of a retired auto worker is 3.8 years after retirement. These people do difficult work under stressful situations and do it consistently. The majority of them have some sort of health issues when they retire, everything from bad backs to shot knees. I judge no one on what they do until I have done it myself.

[BigK]

I stand corrected about there being NO union workers, but facts are facts...

According to the NYTimes (liberal rag on the side of the unions), this is what union labor costs the big 3...

"The calculations show, accurately enough, that for every hour a unionized worker puts in, one of the Big Three really does spend about $73 on compensation. So the number isn’t made up. But it is the combination of three very different categories.

The first category is simply cash payments, which is what many people imagine when they hear the word “compensation.” It includes wages, overtime and vacation pay, and comes to about $40 an hour. (The numbers vary a bit by company and year. That’s why $73 is sometimes $70 or $77.)

The second category is fringe benefits, like health insurance and pensions. These benefits have real value, even if they don’t show up on a weekly paycheck. At the Big Three, the benefits amount to $15 an hour or so.

Add the two together, and you get the true hourly compensation of Detroit’s unionized work force: roughly $55 an hour. It’s a little more than twice as much as the typical American worker makes, benefits included. The more relevant comparison, though, is probably to Honda’s or Toyota’s (nonunionized) workers. They make in the neighborhood of $45 an hour, and most of the gap stems from their less generous benefits.

The third category is the cost of benefits for retirees. These are essentially fixed costs that have no relation to how many vehicles the companies make. But they are a real cost, so the companies add them into the mix — dividing those costs by the total hours of the current work force, to get a figure of $15 or so — and end up at roughly $70 an hour. "

Furthermore, employer-provided benefits like vacation time, health insurance, etc. got it's start in 1942 when Congress enacted price controls to hold down production costs during WWII. There was a shortage of labor, so companies began offering "fringe" (read: loopholes in the law) benefits to get workers in the door. When the war was over, the practice was too ingrained to take the benefits away. Not to mention, the unions then started demanding them as if they are God given rights.

[Alpha13]

I stand corrected about there being NO union workers, but facts are facts...

According to the NYTimes (liberal rag on the side of the unions), this is what union labor costs the big 3...

"The calculations show, accurately enough, that for every hour a unionized worker puts in, one of the Big Three really does spend about $73 on compensation. So the number isn’t made up. But it is the combination of three very different categories.

The first category is simply cash payments, which is what many people imagine when they hear the word “compensation.” It includes wages, overtime and vacation pay, and comes to about $40 an hour. (The numbers vary a bit by company and year. That’s why $73 is sometimes $70 or $77.)

The second category is fringe benefits, like health insurance and pensions. These benefits have real value, even if they don’t show up on a weekly paycheck. At the Big Three, the benefits amount to $15 an hour or so.

Add the two together, and you get the true hourly compensation of Detroit’s unionized work force: roughly $55 an hour. It’s a little more than twice as much as the typical American worker makes, benefits included. The more relevant comparison, though, is probably to Honda’s or Toyota’s (nonunionized) workers. They make in the neighborhood of $45 an hour, and most of the gap stems from their less generous benefits.

The third category is the cost of benefits for retirees. These are essentially fixed costs that have no relation to how many vehicles the companies make. But they are a real cost, so the companies add them into the mix — dividing those costs by the total hours of the current work force, to get a figure of $15 or so — and end up at roughly $70 an hour. "

Furthermore, employer-provided benefits like vacation time, health insurance, etc. got it's start in 1942 when Congress enacted price controls to hold down production costs during WWII. There was a shortage of labor, so companies began offering "fringe" (read: loopholes in the law) benefits to get workers in the door. When the war was over, the practice was too ingrained to take the benefits away. Not to mention, the unions then started demanding them as if they are God given rights.

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[shortround]

Wow. This thread came a long way from buying ammo at WallyWorld.

[Tncobra]

I havnt been in ww in at least 8 years. The people of walmart and parking lot are worse than the crap they sell.

I swear the ammo is different even if it is boxed the same as out here.

[Oh Shoot]

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I swear the ammo is different even if it is boxed the same as out here.

Winner of the Award for this topic!

- OS

[Garufa]

But it's true OS. All the ammo factories send the seconds and thirds or those loaded with loose powder picked up off the floor, you know, the bullets that don't pass inspection, over to China. There they are repackaged and shipped back to WalMart.

[Raoul]

This thread is like Thanksgiving dinner with the relatives.

[Tncobra]

For those who didn't detect sarcasm, I insert it here.

[DavidD]

Funny, I just heard at a gun store today that the Wal-Mart WWB ammo wasn't the same, inferior and dirtier.

[Oh Shoot]

But it's true OS. All the ammo factories send the seconds and thirds or those loaded with loose powder picked up off the floor, you know, the bullets that don't pass inspection, over to China. There they are repackaged and shipped back to WalMart.

Funny, I just heard at a gun store today that the Wal-Mart WWB ammo wasn't the same, inferior and dirtier.

Yeah, I know for a fact that all them Ruger and Marlin rifles at Wally's are actually made from pot metal in the Philippines, too.

- OS

Edited December 4, 2010 by OhShoot

[exiton]

yes.... i was concerned the first time I shot it. Its just a dirty ammo.... good cheap target ammo though. Ive fired about 200 9mm rounds of Tulammo and never had a misfire yet.

Ohh... I'll have to give this stuff a shot. I'll be sure to bring along lots of CLP.

[Guest johnsuttontn]

politics, unions, and the evils of Wal Mart! I love a good discussion about ammo!!!!!!!

[gregintenn]

I havnt been in ww in at least 8 years. The people of walmart and parking lot are worse than the crap they sell.

I swear the ammo is different even if it is boxed the same as out here.

What is the difference?