Handgun Permit question

[Valkryn]

So I went last Thursday to turn in my paperwork. The lady asked for my birth certificate and I handed her what I thought was it but it turned out it was the mother's copy of the record of live birth. Anyways, she acted like a DD214 should suffice. I gave her that, my SS Card, and police officer credentials. She said everything helps. I also have a two high level govt. clearances that they should come across when checking me out. Do you think I have anything to worry about or should I be fine? Thanks!

[dralarms]

You should be fine.

[Valkryn]

Thanks, DrAlarms! Appreciate the input!

[enfield]

Just look how far Obama got without a birth certificate!

[dralarms]

Just look how far Obama got without a birth certificate!

So true.

[Guest tngw1500se]

Just look how far Obama got without a birth certificate!

LOL!!!

[Guest Glock23ForMe]

So I went last Thursday to turn in my paperwork. The lady asked for my birth certificate and I handed her what I thought was it but it turned out it was the mother's copy of the record of live birth. Anyways, she acted like a DD214 should suffice. I gave her that, my SS Card, and police officer credentials. She said everything helps. I also have a two high level govt. clearances that they should come across when checking me out. Do you think I have anything to worry about or should I be fine? Thanks!

Official Flow State Office HCP Approval**:

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"I don't know.... I don't know....... Gosh, this computer sucks...."

(Keyboard Beating Continues)

"Security Clearances!?... psffff... I have a keycard for the coffee room.... Dummy"

(Beating on Monitor, Screaming)

"This guy passes"

(** Process may take up to 90 days)

[Valkryn]

Official Flow State Office HCP Approval**:

(Someone beating on a keyboard)

"I don't know.... I don't know....... Gosh, this computer sucks...."

(Keyboard Beating Continues)

"Security Clearances!?... psffff... I have a keycard for the coffee room.... Dummy"

(Beating on Monitor, Screaming)

"This guy passes"

(** Process may take up to 90 days)

Haha!

[mdmoseley]

I'm just curious did you pay to take the class? I'm wondering because you mentioned your DD214 and LEO credentials. Both of those credentials exclude you from the class.

[RobertNashville]

It was my understanding that active duty military didn't have to take the class but I've never heard that a DD214 would do so???

[Valkryn]

I believe for military to be excluded you have to prove you've had so many hours of weapon training but I'm pretty sure that would need to be handgun training. I was a crew chief for F-15's so I didn't get much weapon training except with the M-16 and M-4. As far as LEO credentials, I had a letter written from them to turn in showing the training I went through.

[Fallguy]

Just being in the military or even "weapons" training doesn't meet the requiment.

39-17-1351(e)(4) says..."Successfully completed all handgun training of not less than four (4) hours as required by any branch of the military" and that has to be within 5 years of the application for a HCP.

39-17-1351(e)(1) says..."Been certified by the peace officer standards and training commission" and 39-17-1351(e)(2) says..."Successfully completed training at the law enforcement training academy" Both of those have to be within 5 years of the application also.

[Valkryn]

Just being in the military or even "weapons" training doesn't meet the requiment.

39-17-1351(e)(4) says..."Successfully completed all handgun training of not less than four (4) hours as required by any branch of the military" and that has to be within 5 years of the application for a HCP.

39-17-1351(e)(1) says..."Been certified by the peace officer standards and training commission" and 39-17-1351(e)(2) says..."Successfully completed training at the law enforcement training academy" Both of those have to be within 5 years of the application also.

Thanks fallguy. That blurp about the military is what I read and was trying to get across but I was vague with my answer as not to mislead or misinform someone.

[Tri-Cities Bob]

The folks at the DMV offices usually are pretty good at knowing what documents are acceptable and which ones are not. If he/she took your DD214 as proof of a birth date it's more than likely okay. Concerning the recent comment about the DD214 being used to cover the class requirement, most DD214's don't address specific firearms training in the military unless it was a formal course you attended. They may (should) list your awards, which may include a rifle and/or pistol qualification. Since that doesn't necessarily include any formal firearms training (it probably did but if it isn't specified in the document it didn't happen) it probably won't suffice to prove sufficient familiarity with the safe handling of firearms to replace the requirement for the handgun carry course.

[Valkryn]

The folks at the DMV offices usually are pretty good at knowing what documents are acceptable and which ones are not. If he/she took your DD214 as proof of a birth date it's more than likely okay. Concerning the recent comment about the DD214 being used to cover the class requirement, most DD214's don't address specific firearms training in the military unless it was a formal course you attended. They may (should) list your awards, which may include a rifle and/or pistol qualification. Since that doesn't necessarily include any formal firearms training (it probably did but if it isn't specified in the document it didn't happen) it probably won't suffice to prove sufficient familiarity with the safe handling of firearms to replace the requirement for the handgun carry course.

Right. I just had my DD214 for a just in case measure. I had a letter for the training requirement. Since my "birth certificate" was actually a record of live birth, she said my DD214 would take the place of the birth certificate. It wasn't used as an acceptable form for HCP carry class or military handgun training used to satisfy that requirement.

[mdmoseley]

I guess I have the number wrong but there is a form that excludes you from taking the class the same way LEO credentials will. However your LEO credentials should take care of it.

Edited September 29, 2010 by mdmoseley

[Valkryn]

Well my wait is over! I received my permit yesterday. Application and fingerprinting on Sept. 23 and received on Oct. 9th. So only 16 days. Not to bad for govt. work!

[DaveTN]

Congrats on getting your permit.

Are you a Police Officer?

With LEOSA why would a Police Officer need an HCP?

[Guest bkelm18]

Congrats on getting your permit.

Are you a Police Officer?

With LEOSA why would a Police Officer need an HCP?

It's been my understanding that there extra "restrictions" placed on the officer if they carry under LEOSA that aren't present if they carry with a permit. Maybe I remember wrong.

[Fallguy]

Also the CLEO of the agency you work for can regulate (even prohibit) off-duty carry if being a LEO is the only authority you carry under.

[DaveTN]

Also the CLEO of the agency you work for can regulate (even prohibit) off-duty carry if being a LEO is the only authority you carry under.

Sure, but that would be department policy; not state law. Is that even an issue; is there a Police Department that prohibits full time Police Officers from carrying off duty?

Does Tennessee not have state law governing the carrying of firearms by Police Officers?

I’m not arguing, I don’t know and I’m asking. I’ve ask this before and it didn’t seem anyone really knew.

[Fallguy]

Sure, but that would be department policy; not state law. Is that even an issue; is there a Police Department that prohibits full time Police Officers from carrying off duty?

Does Tennessee not have state law governing the carrying of firearms by Police Officers?

I’m not arguing, I don’t know and I’m asking. I’ve ask this before and it didn’t seem anyone really knew.

I don't know of any agency that prohibits off-duty carry (just saying they could). I have seen post by LEOs on here saying that how and what they could carry of duty was controlled by their chief/sheriff and that was why they got a HCP.

The law you talk of says that "written directives" of the CLEO supersede the state law, it is only intended to remove any statutory limits, not restrict their CLEO.

39-17-1350. Law enforcement officers permitted to carry firearms — Exceptions — Restrictions — Identification card for corrections officers.

(a) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, any law enforcement officer may carry firearms at all times and in all places within Tennessee, on-duty or off-duty, regardless of the officer's regular duty hours or assignments, except as provided by subsection ©, federal law, lawful orders of court or the written directives of the executive supervisor of the employing agency.

[kb4ns]

DaveTN, the reason I have a HCP is "just in case". If I get pissed and quit (not likely), get suspended or fired (hopefully not likely), or anything else happens that causes me to no longer be allowed to carry as a LEO, I don't want to have to wait on the state to issue me a HCP.

Another thing to keep in mind. Some departments restrict what you can carry off-duty. Until not long ago, either Memphis PD or Shelby Co S.O. (don't remember which it was) would only allow their guys to carry their duty weapon off-duty. Now, many departments require you to qualify yearly with whatever off-duty gun you want to carry and it must meet certain requirements. With a HCP, you can carry whatever you want to under the permit and not carry as an LEO.

[gkamer]

Congrats on getting your permit so fast. I submitted the same day as you so mine may not be too far behind. It's always good to see another HCP permit holder on here.

[Valkryn]

Maybe I should explain my situation a little better. I work for a contract security company but we have to be commissioned police officers due to the nature of our job and for the transport of weapons to and from work. Also, my jurisdiction lies only on company property or if a crime starts on company property, we pursue the individual/s. That being said, while I have LEO credentials, I don't work for the city, county, or local sheriff's office.

BTW, got my Wally Walk out of the way today. Wasn't bad at all although, I was wearing a jacket. Very comfortable and at times forgot I even had it.