Gun Free Dining Tennessee or Please Rob My Restaurant??

[RobertNashville]

Hello everyone!

I'm sure by now most of you are aware of the website called "Gun Free Dining Tennessee ". While this purports to be a "grass roots" effort it appears to many that our old friend Randy Rayburn and his money is actually behind it.

Anyway, someone else (not me) came up with the phrase "Please Rob My Restaurant" which I've seized upon...last night, I registered the domain name "PleaseRobMyRestaurant" under .com, .org, .net and .info.

My hope would be to turn this into a website dedicated not only to identifying which restaurants/bars/businesses "post or don't post" but to also be a means to support and encourage those businesses who show that they want OUR business by being friendly to our right to carry. Conversely, this would be a way to get the message across that those businesses who don't allow carry in their places of business are making themselves potential targets for the violence and lack of "peace" that the website "Gun Free Dining" says it's in favor of.

What I need from you...

Frankly, I don't really know where to start...I have some website development training but I claim no particular expertise in it (and don't even really like it).

So...let me know your thoughts...and if you have anything to offer in the way of expertise; let me know...I truly think this is something that could balloon into something wonderful if it's done right and people get behind it - a way for many people to get involved in encouraging places of business to respect our rights to carry.

[Guest tnxdshooter]

I have an extra domain that I am allowed to register with my domain name and web hosting service I already have. I know how to design websites but just dont have the time right now what with the one I already have and all.

[Oh Shoot]

I have an extra domain that I am allowed to register with my domain name and web hosting service I already have. I know how to design websites but just dont have the time right now what with the one I already have and all.

So, that's an offer of free hosting for his domain?

Robert, if you were local, might could get you a site formatted and show you how to update it, depending on exactly what you want to do with it.

Pretty tough to teach at a distance though. But then again, you don't seem to want to put any effort into it, so...?

- OS

Edited September 23, 2010 by OhShoot

[RobertNashville]

So, that's an offer of free hosting for his domain?

Robert, if you were local, might could get you a site formatted and show you how to update it, depending on exactly what you want to do with it.

Pretty tough to teach at a distance though. But then again, you don't seem to want to put any effort into it, so...?

- OS

It' not a matter of "wanting to"...I'm working on another Master's degree; I don't exactly have a lot of time to devote to developing a website. I can put something together myself and if I'm lucky, I might even be able to do it in conjunction with one of my classes but I know there are far more talented people out there for that kind of work than I; frankly, I think my efforts would be better directed to providing content.

My vision for this would almost be a satirical version of the "Gun Free Dining" website...as they highlight restaurants that post, we also highlight them along with stats, if we can find them, regarding crime in the are immediately surrounding the restaurant or in the business itself while concurrently try to educate people with the simple truth that less guns equal more crime, not less.

There is nothing better for beating back a lie than the truth and the truth and that's what I want to do; hopefully in an entertaining way (and perhaps at the same time, heap some red hot coals on the heads of those who like nothing better than overturning the recently enacted law that allows us to finally be able to protect ourselves in places that serve alcohol).

Edited September 23, 2010 by RobertNashville

[Oh Shoot]

....the recently enacted law that allows us to finally be able to protect ourselves in places that serve alcohol).

Well, it's not just places that serve booze that post, ya know.

And not just restaurants of all types either.

- OS

[TNRobocop]

Sounds like the whole "Please Rob My Restaurant" name thing is going to go over like a fart in church.

Especially if something actually happens and you get sued for it....

[Punisher84]

Sounds like the whole "Please Rob My Restaurant" name thing is going to go over like a fart in church.

Especially if something actually happens and you get sued for it....

I gotta agree there. While it may be funny in certain company, that could be spun alot of ways by the anti-gun crowd and media. I think the site showing how many of us will not support posted businesses is a much better idea and way to go. I think this is in poor taste. Just my opinion.

Also,as Robocop mentioned, lawsuits have been won for far less than posting a website full of suggestions of places to rob.

[RobertNashville]

Yes I know, other places aside from restaurants can post but this is primarily a counter to the "gun free dining Tennessee" site.

Maybe this is a bad idea...maybe it's in bad taste...I don't know; I suppose that's why I'm looking for feedback. I reserved the domain names because I liked the phrase because it makes a valid point (I think). Yes I know I could be sued...then again, I could be sued for breathing...lawsuits don't really scare me that much (not that I want to have to fight them) and if they did scare me I wouldn't ever carry a weapon because I guarantee you, if I or you ever shoot somebody no matter how justified in doing so, I/you WILL get sued.

As long as anything posted on the site is the truth I really don't care if it hurts the anti-gun group's feelings or makes them feel uncomfortable.

Also, I've farted in church before (and I suspect everyone who has ever gone to church more than a few times has too)...last time I checked, everybody survived it.

Edited September 23, 2010 by RobertNashville

[Punisher84]

I wouldn't ever carry a weapon because I guarantee you, if I or you ever shoot somebody no matter how justified in doing so, I/you WILL get sued.

A common misconception, but that's for another thread.

[RobertNashville]

A common misconception, but that's for another thread.

No misconception.

I'm not sure why you think people don't get sued when a shooter; including a justified shooter and even with the castle doctrine in place as it is in Tennessee won't get sued...when you shoot someone it's almost a certainty that you will get sued.

As I recall, you made similar statements in the thread where this is the closing post...

...The point I've tried to make before is that even if you are in the right, it may take a bit to sort that out. A bit that involves expensive visits with folks like me and other uncomfortable people. I've never drawn my gun, but I'll do so if I think it's necessary and use it if I have to. Being in the system 27 years however, has taught me that a decision i have to make in 5-10 seconds will be second guessed for hours on end by others. Owning and using a firearm are awesome adult responsibilities that, as has been said, have significant real life consequences even if you are 100% right. It is not something anyone should take lightly.

Perhaps you think I'm implying that getting sued is interchangeable with losing a lawsuit and that it not what I'm saying. While we may have statutes (such as the castle doctrine) on our side in a justifiable shooting; that doesn't mean there can't or won't be devastating; including financially devastating consequences.

Certainly; you are free to disagree with me but I don't understand why you apparently believe that a person who shoots/kills another won't or can't be sued even when the shooting is 100%. I'm not an attorney but I suspect most attorney's familiar with this issue will back me up on this.

Edited September 24, 2010 by RobertNashville

[Punisher84]

No misconception.

I'm not sure why you think people don't get sued when a shooter; including a justified shooter and even with the castle doctrine in place as it is in Tennessee won't get sued...when you shoot someone it's almost a certainty that you will get sued.

As I recall, you made similar statements in the thread where this is the closing post...

Perhaps you think I'm implying that getting sued is interchangeable with losing a lawsuit and that it not what I'm saying. While we may have statutes (such as the castle doctrine) on our side in a justifiable shooting; that doesn't mean there can't or won't be devastating; including financially devastating consequences.

Certainly; you are free to disagree with me but I don't understand why you apparently believe that a person who shoots/kills another won't or can't be sued even when the shooting is 100%. I'm not an attorney but I suspect most attorney's familiar with this issue will back me up on this.

I'm not saying you can't or won't. If you recall I agreed with you about the Civil Suit Immunity statute in TN about still being able to bring the lawsuit. I just don't agree with the blanket statement of "You WILL be sued". It's just not correct. Could it happen? Yes. Will it happen? I'd say it's about 70/30 that it will. I know of several people who have been involved in self-defense shootings. All to varying degrees and none of them have been sued. That's not just in Tennessee either.

It's like the sayings of "If you ride a motorcycle you'll eventually lay it down." "If you handle firearms eventually you'll have a negligent discharge." Saying "If you shoot someone you WILL get sued" is simply a campfire ghost story for permit holders. It's good in it's intention, to instill a sense of caution and respect for carrying a firearm, but it's not based in fact. Getting sued after a justified shooting is simply one of those horror stories that guys like Massad Ayoob and Walt Rauch (both of whom I have met and talked with) write about to give people who carry an idea of what can happen to better mentally prepare them for it.

In summary I'm not saying you can't or won't be sued, but to say you WILL be is without fact and simply a scary story.

[RobertNashville]

...In summary I'm not saying you can't or won't be sued, but to say you WILL be is without fact and simply a scary story.

Absolutes are always dangerous to use and I probably should not have use one in this case. Nevertheless, no, it isn't just a "scary story" and while "you will be sued" may not be 100% accurate, it is no less accurate to say "you will be sued" than it is to try and discount the probable results of a justified shooting just a "scary story".

I've been around long enough and I've talked with enough attorneys and read enough accounts of shootings to have very good reason to say that discounting the negative emotional and financial results of a shooting (even if one isn't sued and even if not charged with a crime) as just a "scary story" is disingenuous at best.

As far as a lack of facts, you are right, I have presented any but then, neither have you. You've offered opinion as have I...claiming you know some people who have been involved in self defense shooting and none of them have been sued are also not facts nor is it a convincing argument anymore than the experiences I've had or that people I know have had...anecdotal evidence is not sufficient evidence upon which to draw substantive conclusions.

Now, since this thread is hopelessly off topic...I'm done with it (as in unsubscribing from it). If anyone want's to offer help or suggestions concerning the original subject; please feel free to PM me.

Thanks.

Edited September 24, 2010 by RobertNashville

[Punisher84]

just my opinions on it. I didn't intend to get the thread off topic, hence the "that's for another thread" comment.

I apologize if my disagreeing with you upset you. As for facts, I could spend the evening linking you to multiple news stories over the past few years that haven't resulted in law suits, but I assume you're capable and since we really aren't disagreeing on anything more than a math equation of probability it would seem rather silly.

I do have to ask about this though, if you want to respond...

I've been around long enough and I've talked with enough attorneys and read enough accounts of shootings to have very good reason to say that discounting the negative emotional and financial results of a shooting (even if one isn't sued and even if not charged with a crime) as just a "scary story" is disingenuous at best.

I get the "emotional", but what "financial" results are there if one is not sued? Cost to replace the bullet(s) one fired? I'm not intending that to be a smart ass remark, I'm actually curious.

I also don't think calling it a "scary story" is disingenuous.

adjective-lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; falsely or hypocritically ingenuous; insincere

If you take what you said, as an absolute (your words), then it is a "scary story". I've heard a few trainers and gun rag writers use that absolute and it's used as a fear tactic plain and simple. It's a way to shock the senses. We all know not everyone gets sued in justified shootings, if they did I imagine less people would carry overall. Now, if you tell a class of would be permit holders they "may get sued" it bounces off because of the "it won't happen to me" mentality. Now if you tell that same group "You WILL get sued" then go on to explain caution, situational awareness, etc you've basically "scared" them into paying close attention and maybe reevaluating some things. That is why I say "scary story".

Edited September 24, 2010 by Punisher84

[JayC]

Robert,

I have both a spare server sitting in a datacenter in PA that I'd be happy to donate to the project, and can help you get the website up and running... I'm by far not a graphical artist, but I have plenty of experience working on such projects including some in the firearms community. Something with a database back end so adding content would be very easy... I'd also recommend staying away from static content sites, they're a pain in the butt to maintain.

Send me a PM and I'd be happy to give you my number and we can chat.

Hello everyone!

I'm sure by now most of you are aware of the website called "Gun Free Dining Tennessee ". While this purports to be a "grass roots" effort it appears to many that our old friend Randy Rayburn and his money is actually behind it.

Anyway, someone else (not me) came up with the phrase "Please Rob My Restaurant" which I've seized upon...last night, I registered the domain name "PleaseRobMyRestaurant" under .com, .org, .net and .info.

My hope would be to turn this into a website dedicated not only to identifying which restaurants/bars/businesses "post or don't post" but to also be a means to support and encourage those businesses who show that they want OUR business by being friendly to our right to carry. Conversely, this would be a way to get the message across that those businesses who don't allow carry in their places of business are making themselves potential targets for the violence and lack of "peace" that the website "Gun Free Dining" says it's in favor of.

What I need from you...

Frankly, I don't really know where to start...I have some website development training but I claim no particular expertise in it (and don't even really like it).

So...let me know your thoughts...and if you have anything to offer in the way of expertise; let me know...I truly think this is something that could balloon into something wonderful if it's done right and people get behind it - a way for many people to get involved in encouraging places of business to respect our rights to carry.

Edited September 24, 2010 by JayC

[Fallguy]

Just because a business owner doesn't allow HCP holders to carry in their place doesn't mean the owner and/or his employees aren't armed.

So "Please Rob My -------" may not be the best advise just because a place has posted a 39-17-1359 sign...

Just my thougths.....

[vontar]

Someone can break into your home, you can shoot them. They leave live or die.

Under the castle doctrine you are in your rights and not Criminal liable, however they or their family can still sue you in civil court.

Remember, it was civil court where even OJ lost. Civil court is the one that costs you money.

[Fallguy]

But if the shooting is ruled justfied under self-defense it is not supposed to cost you a dime in the end...in theory at least.

The party that brough the suit is supposed to pay your legal fees and all other cost (including lost time from work) you incurred in defense of the suit.

But if my life is truly in danger....I'm going to worry about the law book first and the check book later......