Felon friend shooting

[Punisher84]

Felons are mostly compulsive people, hence doing a stupid thing over and over again until they get caught .

If you comited felony at any stage in your adult life, you should stay away from a guns all your life. Period..

Maybe most felons, IE repeat offenders, but not all. I think you'd be surprised at some of the things that are felonies. I don't think that just because you get in a really bad fight at 18 or 19 and get charged with felony assault that you should be forever scorned from society and gun ownership if you stay out of trouble.

[notananti]

fivestring63, 18 U.S.C. 922(d)(1) and 922(g)(1) should answer your question.

18 U.S.C. 922(d)(1) - It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year (i.e. a felon). In the situation you described, I would bet "otherwise dispose" would get you. Either way, the felon friend would be in violation of 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(1) which bascially says that any person covicted of a felony can't be in possession of a firearm or ammunition.

[DaveTN]

I went through this with my best friend. Tennessee law is tougher than Federal law. His conviction was a drug conviction 25 years ago. He can get it expunged, but even if he does Tennessee will not restore his gun rights.

[Guest Swamprunner]

Maybe most felons, IE repeat offenders, but not all. I think you'd be surprised at some of the things that are felonies. I don't think that just because you get in a really bad fight at 18 or 19 and get charged with felony assault that you should be forever scorned from society and gun ownership if you stay out of trouble.

Being charged and being convicted are two different things. Go ahead and trust a felon, give him (or her) a great big hug and sing koom-bye-ya together. My money is on the DA, judge and the juries' judgment on these matters. Life ain't fair, dude. It's even less fair if you're a low-life.

[Punisher84]

Being charged and being convicted are two different things. Go ahead and trust a felon, give him (or her) a great big hug and sing koom-bye-ya together. My money is on the DA, judge and the juries' judgment on these matters. Life ain't fair, dude. It's even less fair if you're a low-life.

Don't hurt yourself falling off your high horse. Some people truly deserve what they get, but some people make stupid mistakes when they are young. No need to pay for it for the rest of their lives when they are good, responsible citizens.

It must be really sad to be you. That's all I can say.

[Guest Glock23ForMe]

Don't hurt yourself falling off your high horse. Some people truly deserve what they get, but some people make stupid mistakes when they are young.

I agree, but that being said.. There's one thing about the world we live in...

It defines us by our weakest moments, sometimes... And it is a shame.

[Punisher84]

I agree, but that being said.. There's one thing about the world we live in...

It defines us by our weakest moments, sometimes... And it is a shame.

It's what you do that defines you, true. Which is why one moment should not define someone forever. It's your actions over time that show your character. Not a snapshot of your life.

[Guest Glock23ForMe]

I agree with that, but society, as a whole, (more often than not) doesn't. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it, its just the fact that our society we live in is so effed up, that if we make one mistake, we could be defined FOREVER by it.

[Punisher84]

I agree with that, but society, as a whole, (more often than not) doesn't. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it, its just the fact that our society we live in is so effed up, that if we make one mistake, we could be defined FOREVER by it.

You're right. I just never thought much of "society". These are the people who won't punish real criminals, put Dems in office, and watch reality television.

[Guest Glock23ForMe]

I agree... It makes me sick to see someone walk away whose raped/beaten a woman or child, I think that is the most lowlife form of existence on Earth.

However, we have to make room in prison for the real dangerous people... Tax Evaders...

[Desert Rat]

This thread is a very good example of the wisdom from the mouths of children that want to argue with those twice their age as if the older ones have less experience than the young ones.

This thread was origionally about the law concerning a FELON shooting a gun. But with wisdom some decided to change it into what describes a felon or if a felon should be given a second chance. Then it turned the corner to describe what makes a man who he is with the 20 somethings considering themselves the experts.

Got to love the KIDS!

This is a good example of a minority providing a description of youth that the majority of youth do not follow. From experience I have seen that the majority of youth actually respect the experiences of older people.

[Punisher84]

This thread is a very good example of the wisdom from the mouths of children that want to argue with those twice their age as if the older ones have less experience than the young ones.

This thread was origionally about the law concerning a FELON shooting a gun. But with wisdom some decided to change it into what describes a felon or if a felon should be given a second chance. Then it turned the corner to describe what makes a man who he is with the 20 somethings considering themselves the experts.

Got to love the KIDS!

This is a good example of a minority providing a description of youth that the majority of youth do not follow. From experience I have seen that the majority of youth actually respect the experiences of older people.

What is your hang up man? You've spawned this little tirade of yours over what, 5 threads now? It's obviously you are the one with the problem not anyone else. One thing age has obviously not taught you is civility. I hate to break it to you, but this is a FORUM and it's for people of all ages and experiences to DEBATE AND DISCUSS things. If you don't like it I'm sure there are plenty of other places on the internet to visit. I'll say this much, I served my country in the US Army, work every day doing a job I bet you wouldn't do, provide for my family, and I'll be damned if I'm going to be talked to like some punk kid who still lives in his Mom's basement by some old guy with a hangup about youth.

Another thing...just what IS your age? Those of us that you've talked down to and berated display ours, so why not bestow upon us just how old you actually are? I'd like to know the vast sea of experiences you come from.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Punisher84

[mikegideon]

This thread is a very good example of the wisdom from the mouths of children that want to argue with those twice their age as if the older ones have less experience than the young ones.

This thread was origionally about the law concerning a FELON shooting a gun. But with wisdom some decided to change it into what describes a felon or if a felon should be given a second chance. Then it turned the corner to describe what makes a man who he is with the 20 somethings considering themselves the experts.

Got to love the KIDS!

This is a good example of a minority providing a description of youth that the majority of youth do not follow. From experience I have seen that the majority of youth actually respect the experiences of older people.

But, being an old fart (like me) doesn't automatically invalidate the opinions of everyone that's younger than me, especially here. I figure if someone is old enough to do a tour in the sandbox, they're old enough to be able to express their opinions. Can we PLEASE debate the points, and leave age out of it?

[Fallguy]

This thread is a very good example of the wisdom from the mouths of children that want to argue with those twice their age as if the older ones have less experience than the young ones.

This thread was origionally about the law concerning a FELON shooting a gun. But with wisdom some decided to change it into what describes a felon or if a felon should be given a second chance. Then it turned the corner to describe what makes a man who he is with the 20 somethings considering themselves the experts.

Got to love the KIDS!

This is a good example of a minority providing a description of youth that the majority of youth do not follow. From experience I have seen that the majority of youth actually respect the experiences of older people.

Being young doesn't make someone's statement wrong, being old doesn't make it right.

Opinions are opinions regardless of the age of the person that makes them aren't fact from any age group. But everyone is entitled to their own.

To blanketly make remarks of any group doesn't seem very wise either.

So everyone needs to leave personal attacks (direct or indirect) out of these and discuss the issue(s) at hand. Thread drift is common and while at times it may be better to start a new thread it is not required and as long as there is good debate/discussion it can continue.

[vontar]

a few years back I heard of 2 Teens, both 17. They filmed themselves having sex.

They where then charged as Adults for child porn. (double standard if there is every such a thing). One hand they where both underage, but being tried as adults.

First I think the legal system needs to figure out if they are children or adults, as they are rules the kids as both at the same time. Due to the topic I am not going to research this one.

I do not remember what state it was in or what the judgment turned out to be. However if convicted they would have had records that would follow for life.

Zero Tolerance is not an answer.

[RobertNashville]

Being charged and being convicted are two different things. Go ahead and trust a felon, give him (or her) a great big hug and sing koom-bye-ya together. My money is on the DA, judge and the juries' judgment on these matters. Life ain't fair, dude. It's even less fair if you're a low-life.

I would tend to think, based on the post above and your earlier post that you believe all convicted felons, regardless of the facts such as what the act was, how long ago, his/her record since, etc. should lose all rights of any kind forever, correct?

I mean, why should a felon be allowed freedom of expression or freedom of religion or any other right guaranteed by the Constitution???

I believe those who commit crimes should be punished in an appropriate way based on the crime but it seems to me that singling out/losing the right to keep and bear arms because a person once made a mistake is just another way for the Nanny state to exert control...if it's all right for the federal gov. to take away the right to bear arms then it must be all right to take away all the others.

[RobertNashville]

a few years back I heard of 2 Teens, both 17. They filmed themselves having sex.

They where then charged as Adults for child porn. (double standard if there is every such a thing). One hand they where both underage, but being tried as adults.

First I think the legal system needs to figure out if they are children or adults, as they are rules the kids as both at the same time. Due to the topic I am not going to research this one.

I do not remember what state it was in or what the judgment turned out to be. However if convicted they would have had records that would follow for life.

Zero Tolerance is not an answer.

"Zero Tolerance" is just a bureaucratic way of saying "I won't take the time/make the effort to make a rational, informed, reasonable decision based on the facts".

[Guest strelcevina]

I mean, why should a felon be allowed freedom of expression or freedom of religion or any other right guaranteed by the Constitution???

Awe constitution speech .....bravo...bravo ...

Only problem is after comiting felony you lose all your rights. First, second, third and all others amendments .

What you saying is equivalent to having sex and staying a virgin at a same time . It doesnt work Like that

[lowbud]

I went through this with my best friend. Tennessee law is tougher than Federal law. His conviction was a drug conviction 25 years ago. He can get it expunged, but even if he does Tennessee will not restore his gun rights.

Are you sure about that? Expunged means just that. a conviction that has been expunged will not show up on a tics bg check for a handgun purchase. There's not a choice in the matter. If his BG is clear, and it should be after the judge signs off on the expungement order they have no means to refuse him as their report should come back clean. expungments are completed at the local and fed level.

[Fallguy]

Are you sure about that? Expunged means just that. a conviction that has been expunged will not show up on a tics bg check for a handgun purchase. There's not a choice in the matter. If his BG is clear, and it should be after the judge signs off on the expungement order they have no means to refuse him as their report should come back clean. expungments are completed at the local and fed level.

There is more detailed thread on this somewhere where one of the lawyers explained it better.

But basically I think it is the type of expungement that TN issues doesn't completely satisfy something in the Federal law so in the end it is like there was no expungement basically.

[RobertNashville]

Awe constitution speech .....bravo...bravo ...

Only problem is after comiting felony you lose all your rights. First, second, third and all others amendments .

What you saying is equivalent to having sex and staying a virgin at a same time . It doesnt work Like that

No...you don't lose all your rights which is my point...if you did, that would make more sense wouldn't it?

A person convicted of a felony still has the right to free speech and freedom of religion and the rest of them; for the most part, only the right to keep and bear arms is singled out.

Such a "forever" loss is understandable if the person committed a violent felony and especially if he used a firearm...such a loss is understandable if they have a history of felonies. But, losing the right, forever, for, say, embezzlement after the person has served his sentence and made full restitution really doesn't make a lot of sense to me and especially so when other rights in the Constitution are not lost.

Edited September 20, 2010 by RobertNashville

[monkeylizard]

Only problem is after comiting felony you lose all your rights. First, second, third and all others amendments .

Right on, strel. Since the government knows where the ex-con felons live in many cases and they don't have ANY consitutional rights, we'll bypass the 3rd ammendment on them and quarter troops in their homes. That should save us some money by shrinking military base housing. And while they're there, we may as well deputize the troops so they can search through the felon's place for whatever. No warrant needed since the 4th ammendment no longer applies. And if they kick up a fuss, we'll convict them on the same charge they got convicted on the first time, seeing as how the 5th ammendment doesn't protect them from double jeopardy. The second trial will be faster than the first since they no longer have a guarantee of a jury trial as stated in the 6th and 7th. Suspending the 8th will let the judge set bail at twenty trillion dollars, while the felon basically becomes the government's property when the 9th and 10th no longer apply. The felon can't peacably assemble to protest any of this, or go to church to talk to the pastor, or even pray to a higher power for help because the 1st is gone too.

Edited September 21, 2010 by monkeylizard

[Guest 85rx-7gsl-se]

Right on, strel. Since the government knows where the ex-con felons live in many cases and they don't have ANY consitutional rights, we'll bypass the 3rd ammendment on them and quarter troops in their homes. That should save us some money by shrinking military base housing. And while they're there, we may as well deputize the troops so they can search through the felon's place for whatever. No warrant needed since the 4th ammendment no longer applies. And if they kick up a fuss, we'll convict them on the same charge they got convicted on the first time, seeing as how the 5th ammendment doesn't protect them from double jeopardy. The second trial will be faster than the first since they no longer have a guarantee of a jury trial as stated in the 6th and 7th. Suspending the 8th will let the judge set bail at twenty trillion dollars, while the felon basically becomes the government's property when the 9th and 10th no longer apply. The felon can't peacably assemble to protest any of this, or go to church to talk to the pastor, or even pray to a higher power for help because the 1st is gone too.

This post made my morning.

[Guest strelcevina]

Right on, strel. Since the government knows where the ex-con felons live in many cases and they don't have ANY consitutional rights, we'll bypass the 3rd ammendment on them and quarter troops in their homes. That should save us some money by shrinking military base housing. And while they're there, we may as well deputize the troops so they can search through the felon's place for whatever. No warrant needed since the 4th ammendment no longer applies. And if they kick up a fuss, we'll convict them on the same charge they got convicted on the first time, seeing as how the 5th ammendment doesn't protect them from double jeopardy. The second trial will be faster than the first since they no longer have a guarantee of a jury trial as stated in the 6th and 7th. Suspending the 8th will let the judge set bail at twenty trillion dollars, while the felon basically becomes the government's property when the 9th and 10th no longer apply. The felon can't peacably assemble to protest any of this, or go to church to talk to the pastor, or even pray to a higher power for help because the 1st is gone too.

exactly.

but if you ask felon about his rights, he will tell you that he has all of them.

same if you would ask illegal ones ,he would tell you that he has rights to be here

or unemployed one , he will tell you that foodstams are his money and his rights

But a truth is that their rights are just tolerated for time being.

[monkeylizard]

But a truth is that their rights are just tolerated for time being.

Edited September 21, 2010 by monkeylizard