Consent to carry in other's homes?

[Guest Glock23ForMe]

Keep it on your person though. If you go to the bathroom and a kid gets in your backpack it could be bad. I would not be offended by someone carrying in my home but would be very offended if the did not keep immediate control of their weapon.

Agree.

As a home owner. If some stranger came to my home to do work. He would not be armed. If I found out he was armed, there would be trouble. I would kindly ask him to leave, with my 45 pointed at him, safety off. I realize that you are going to peoples homes that you do not know, but you have to look at it from my view. I don't know you either and in my home I'm the king and the knight.

Disagree... Just ask them to leave. If it was someone doing work, and you do not appreciate, just ask them to leave. Don't immediately become the aggressor in the situation. What if it's within an hour of him working? He's there for 45 mins, you see a gun, pull yours, and then something bad happens. Someone is in trouble, IDC if he is in "your home" the only time you can use deadly force in your own home is if they "forcible enter" and I don't believe saying, "COME ON IN, MY A/C DON'T WORK." is considered forcible entering.

no different than carrying into the Weigels. Unless they post their home carry away.

Agreed. That's the first thing I thought. They should have to post their home.

[JayC]

Thanks for the info. Any references where I can look this up to confirm? I'll be leaving if they ask, for sure. Thanks again, I'm still looking on a few sites trying to find the exact law. Google isn't that helpful atm. HAHA.

39-17-13xx covers most firearm laws... The part you'll be interested in is 39-17-1359 which is the posting requirement.

The law won't state that you can carry into a persons home without consent, it will only state where you can't carry. Unless the home or business is posted per 39-17-1359 (note the language on the website Punisher posted is old) you're fine to carry there unless you're asked to leave.

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

Thanks for the info everyone. Many good points brought up. I have it in a small holster in a pocket, but maybe I should get a better holster to keep it on me all the time.

Good point about the law too Ohshoot. Thanks again all. Very good ideas and very helpful.

Since I use one anyway I would suggest that you check into a cheap bellyband. That way you can wear it under your scrubs and since you control how tight it is the weapon stays put and is always on your person. They can be had for 20 bucks or so.

[StPatrick]

Since I use one anyway I would suggest that you check into a cheap bellyband. That way you can wear it under your scrubs and since you control how tight it is the weapon stays put and is always on your person. They can be had for 20 bucks or so.

There's also the option of carrying in a holster on your waist 4:00ish, then using a cover garment, e.g. lab coat, etc.

[Fallguy]

@Newbie as others have said, it is legal as long as it is not posted. Also not going to find a law that says it is legal, jut not going to find one that says it isn't either. I know AR and some other states require you to get permission from a home owner first, but TN is not one of them.

@Will Carry I would suggest asking people before the enter or posting a sign if you feel that strongly, instead of having to feel that you need to pull a gun on someone to ask them to leave.

[Will Carry]

Easy guys! So it would be OK is someone came in to your house to fix a sink and they were packin heat? Some perfect stranger you have never seen before comes in to your house armed, and you think it's OK? Are you guys NUTS? Have you lost your minds? If you want to enter my house armed you must be 1) a friend. 2) Family I trust. 3) an LEO with a search warrent. Other than that you need to leave your piece in the truck. Now if you have a piece concealed where I can't see it, then I won't get upset.....don't get me upset! I will defend my home from any threat.

Edited September 2, 2010 by Will Carry

[Fallguy]

I don't think anyone was saying much either way about allowing or not allowing someone in with a gun or even about telling them to leave. Just that it probably isn't necessary to ask them "with my 45 pointed at him, safety off."

[Will Carry]

Fall guy,

I am an American and a Southerner (by the grace of God), I don't have to hang a sign on my house or ask if anyone is armed when they enter my house. I cannot understand why you think it is OK to allow an armed stanger into your house. You tell me and TGO why you think it is OK for an armed stranger to enter your house. I just can not believe anyone would say " Hey there mr. repair man that I don't know! Come on in and bring your fire arm. Heck you may be a crack head but that's OK, just come on in. You may be a suicidal maniac but bring your pistol in with you." WTF? Do you see that I'm trying to help you? I would never bring a firearm into your house. There ain't no need.

[-boatman-]

Fall guy,

I am an American and a Southerner (by the grace of God), I don't have to hang a sign on my house or ask if anyone is armed when they enter my house. I cannot understand why you think it is OK to allow an armed stanger into your house. You tell me and TGO why you think it is OK for an armed stranger to enter your house. I just can not believe anyone would say " Hey there mr. repair man that I don't know! Come on in and bring your fire arm. Heck you may be a crack head but that's OK, just come on in. You may be a suicidal maniac but bring your pistol in with you." WTF? Do you see that I'm trying to help you? I would never bring a firearm into your house. There ain't no need.

If you don't trust them why let them into your house. I would say this person is carrying for the same reason you would be. To protect themselves. Done it many times and never had any trouble even though I got made a couple times.

[Guest Newbie]

"I would never bring a firearm into your house. There ain't no need."

I frequently have to visit patients in areas that make me keep my situational awareness at a higher than normal level for either a) they live way out in the country and you can't see any other houses around or they live in part of the "ghetto" in a crowded area with multiple people hanging out in the streets all the time, eyeballing anyone entering their "hood".

Sure, I could probably get some mace or something, I do carry a pocket knife with me too. However, I have a permit to carry and to allow me to protect myself not only inside someone's home, but in my car driving down these roads or walking from my car to their house.

I was at a patient's house and a census worker knocked on the door and without even seeing who it was, the patient said "come in". I kind of freaked out; not that a burglar would likely knock, but you never know who is coming in. I could see myself in an emergency situation "Sir, I left my gun in the car, do you have one around here I can borrow to help defend us or do you want me to wait for you to get on your walker and walk to the other end of the house".

You never know when the "need" will arise. That's why I started the thread to make sure of the legality so I can feel more comfortable about protecting myself and to get more ideas to go about it as safe as possible. Thanks again everyone.

Edit: I'd have no problem with someone I invited (repairmen, etc) if they were carrying, but if its a solicitor that just shows up, sure thing I'm watching them and they're not coming in. You never know who is carrying when you go out in public and I personally don't see a difference whether someone is providing a service in your home or in public. They have a right to protect themselves, they are providing a service that YOU asked for. If something about them raises flags, ask them to leave.

Edited September 2, 2010 by Newbie

[Alpha13]

Edit: I'd have no problem with someone I invited (repairmen, etc) if they were carrying, but if its a solicitor that just shows up, sure thing I'm watching them and they're not coming in. You never know who is carrying when you go out in public and I personally don't see a difference whether someone is providing a service in your home or in public. They have a right to protect themselves, they are providing a service that YOU asked for. If something about them raises flags, ask them to leave.

+1

[Guest Glock23ForMe]

Edit: I'd have no problem with someone I invited (repairmen, etc) if they were carrying, but if its a solicitor that just shows up, sure thing I'm watching them and they're not coming in. You never know who is carrying when you go out in public and I personally don't see a difference whether someone is providing a service in your home or in public. They have a right to protect themselves, they are providing a service that YOU asked for. If something about them raises flags, ask them to leave.

OP Questioned.... OP Answered...

I do agree though.

[JayC]

Fall guy,

I am an American and a Southerner (by the grace of God), I don't have to hang a sign on my house or ask if anyone is armed when they enter my house. I cannot understand why you think it is OK to allow an armed stanger into your house. You tell me and TGO why you think it is OK for an armed stranger to enter your house. I just can not believe anyone would say " Hey there mr. repair man that I don't know! Come on in and bring your fire arm. Heck you may be a crack head but that's OK, just come on in. You may be a suicidal maniac but bring your pistol in with you." WTF? Do you see that I'm trying to help you? I would never bring a firearm into your house. There ain't no need.

Nobody is suggesting you must allow anybody armed into your home... Only that you can't threaten deadly force if you invite them into your home and then discover they are armed. The issue people have is with your reaction to finding somebody invited but armed.... isn't legal.

[Fallguy]

Fall guy,

I am an American and a Southerner (by the grace of God), I don't have to hang a sign on my house or ask if anyone is armed when they enter my house. I cannot understand why you think it is OK to allow an armed stanger into your house. You tell me and TGO why you think it is OK for an armed stranger to enter your house. I just can not believe anyone would say " Hey there mr. repair man that I don't know! Come on in and bring your fire arm. Heck you may be a crack head but that's OK, just come on in. You may be a suicidal maniac but bring your pistol in with you." WTF? Do you see that I'm trying to help you? I would never bring a firearm into your house. There ain't no need.

Did you not read my post just above this one of your?

I did not say you should allow an armed stranger in your home, I also did not say you shouldn't ask them to leave.

I just questioned having to ask them to leave at gunpoint.

[macville]

If you don't trust a stranger in your house with a firearm (stranger being someone you called to come work on it, etc)f then should you trust a stranger in your house at all? My philosophy is if I don't trust a person with a gun, I try not to be around them if at all possible. It's really that simple. Just because someone doesn't have a firearm doesn't mean they can't do something else stupid or make a weapon out of something else.

[Will Carry]

Fallguy,

I didn't mean to sound like such an ass last night, it ain't the first time..... Whether I would draw down on a plumber who was carrying depends on the circumstances. If you are going to carry concealed in someones home, it better stay concealed. There are two laws that would apply. 1) Brandishing a weapon. 2) Going in terror of the public. If a home owner sees your weapon and calls the cops, you would have to answer these charges. On the other hand if I, as a homeowner, pulled a gun on a plumber in my house. I could potentially be charged too.

So I promise not to shoot the plumber if you promise to keep your handgun well concealed. With any luck niether of us will get in trouble with the law.

[Daniel]

Fallguy,

I didn't mean to sound like such an ass last night, it ain't the first time..... Whether I would draw down on a plumber who was carrying depends on the circumstances. If you are going to carry concealed in someones home, it better stay concealed. There are two laws that would apply. 1) Brandishing a weapon. 2) Going in terror of the public. If a home owner sees your weapon and calls the cops, you would have to answer these charges. On the other hand if I, as a homeowner, pulled a gun on a plumber in my house. I could potentially be charged too.

So I promise not to shoot the plumber if you promise to keep your handgun well concealed. With any luck niether of us will get in trouble with the law.

Brandish - Wave or flourish (something, esp. a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement

I hardly think a firearm being seen on someone's person constitutes brandishing.

The second law we do not have in Tennessee thankfully.

6. Going Armed To The Terror Of The People

By common law in North Carolina, it is unlawful for a person to arm himself/herself with any unusual and dangerous weapon, for the purpose of terrifying others, and go about on public highways in a manner to cause terror to others. The N.C. Supreme Court states that any gun is an unusual and dangerous weapon for purposes of this offense. Therefore, persons are cautioned as to the areas they frequent with firearms.

That has to be one of the most asinine laws ever.

[Alpha13]

That has to be one of the most asinine laws ever.

+1

[JayC]

Fallguy,

I didn't mean to sound like such an ass last night, it ain't the first time..... Whether I would draw down on a plumber who was carrying depends on the circumstances. If you are going to carry concealed in someones home, it better stay concealed. There are two laws that would apply. 1) Brandishing a weapon. 2) Going in terror of the public. If a home owner sees your weapon and calls the cops, you would have to answer these charges. On the other hand if I, as a homeowner, pulled a gun on a plumber in my house. I could potentially be charged too.

So I promise not to shoot the plumber if you promise to keep your handgun well concealed. With any luck niether of us will get in trouble with the law.

We don't have either of those laws in TN... Although I seriously doubt even in NC a holstered firearm violates either of those two laws either... if it does, I'm glad I don't live in NC... BTW how do you like not being able to carry today since your governor declared the entire state in a state of emergency?

[Guest jackdm3]

Maybe that's the source of his contempt.

[Volphin]

As long as the weapon stays concealed, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

[Fallguy]

Fallguy,

I didn't mean to sound like such an ass last night, it ain't the first time..... Whether I would draw down on a plumber who was carrying depends on the circumstances. If you are going to carry concealed in someones home, it better stay concealed. There are two laws that would apply. 1) Brandishing a weapon. 2) Going in terror of the public. If a home owner sees your weapon and calls the cops, you would have to answer these charges. On the other hand if I, as a homeowner, pulled a gun on a plumber in my house. I could potentially be charged too.

So I promise not to shoot the plumber if you promise to keep your handgun well concealed. With any luck niether of us will get in trouble with the law.

No worries...

....and I do agree that in these type situations good, deep concealment would be most prudent.

Oh.....If the plumber draws on your first.....go ahead and blast him.

[daddyo]

Wouldn't have a problem with it as long as he kept it in the holster, because I would be armed myself.

[Chucktshoes]

It's all in the demeanor. If a worker was in my home and his/her weapon became visible I would draw it to his/her attention. I would expect him/her to be apologetic and seek my approval at that point to remain armed in my home. I would give it, probably end up talking about carrying and guns in general at that point. Prolly also mention TGO to him/her. It is all a courtesy thing. If the worker was standoffish about it, then the worker can depart post haste, but that has less to do with the gun and more to do with general attitude and customer service.

[kb4ns]

Um, wow. I now see how some businesses end up posted. I could care less if the plumber I called is carrying. In fact, I'm probably gonna be happy he is. We need all the heat-packin', law-abiding citizens we can get. In the extremely unlikely event that the repairman I called decides to draw a gun on me, I reckon I'll have to deal with it, but I definitely don't forsee it happening. Maybe I'm just asking for trouble. Maybe I oughta hide the knives when the repairman comes, too. Oh, and the lighters and aerosol cans...