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[Guest SUNTZU]

It ain't just the progressives that have spun up some good yarns. You're right that the general public doesn't know or care. THAT's the problem that can't be fixed.

You mean to say Democrats. Progressives own most of television media. Republicans tell some great stories too. Its hard for me to say someone is a conservative when they want to legislate morals. The Constitution doesn't address getting involved in marriages. Limited government was the intent. Too many people say, "there oughtta be a law" and that screws us all over. Feel good legislation is the vine that chokes out the tree. Time to cut its roots and yank it down.

[mikegideon]

You mean to say Democrats. Progressives own most of television media. Republicans tell some great stories too. Its hard for me to say someone is a conservative when they want to legislate morals. The Constitution doesn't address getting involved in marriages. Limited government was the intent. Too many people say, "there oughtta be a law" and that screws us all over. Feel good legislation is the vine that chokes out the tree. Time to cut its roots and yank it down.

That's not true at all. The total consolidation of media wouldn't have happened without a strong relationship between media and the Republicans. The progressives fought it tooth and nail.

[Guest SUNTZU]

That's not true at all. The total consolidation of media wouldn't have happened without a strong relationship between media and the Republicans. The progressives fought it tooth and nail.

So the Republicans own the media? Is that what I'm reading?

[mikegideon]

So the Republicans own the media? Is that what I'm reading?

In most cases, the poor stockholders own the media. Who do the guys in power want running the place? The Republicans. Why is it so hard to believe that the content on the air is not somebody's personal soapbox? It's ALL about audience share.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Quigley turned around and denounced a lot of what he supported when he was younger. Next time you're at a diner ask someone who ACORN is or SEIU. Most people don't know. But they do know who the Vols starting QB is going to be or how many runs so and so scored last night. People scan the headlines as they check out or read a quick blurb in the paper followed by an opinion piece that is sure to get published over a retort. Once they've read that, they KNOW the TEA party groups are racists and that Arizona is ran by the KKK because its in the paper...now where's the sports section and did you see Dances with the Stars last night?

The vast majority of young people are pissed at the system and the Progressives let them know who is to blame. They point out the window at a group of people as they drive into a wall. And they don't realize it and know better than you. Its the hand sanitizer generation that is afraid of everything but they are also a bunch of mouthbreathers who don't realize that the damn house is on fire. The younger generations are tied to their mother's aprons due to those mothers watching daytime T.V. telling them what they need to do, think, feel, and act. The younger generations have this reinforced with shows geared towards them. The only shows telling them to rebel against their parents thinking point them to Progressive ideals. Don't believe me? Sit down and watch MTV for the weekend. Enjoy those four music videos and try to keep from putting an Obama bumper sticker on your car. There will be more people turning other people in than working to return these United States back to their former glory.

Nah, never happen here! Hand me the sports page, NASCAR results are in.

I've done what you suggested many times, and you are right.

Most are clueless mouth breathers and only pay attention to

bad perceptions and Goebbels inspired lies, twisted into the

pseudo-truths. Those will regret it when they figure it out.

Those types quit thinking for themselves a long time ago.

[Guest SUNTZU]

In most cases, the poor stockholders own the media. Who do the guys in power want running the place? The Republicans. Why is it so hard to believe that the content on the air is not somebody's personal soapbox? It's ALL about audience share.

Its not somebody's personal soapbox. It is a collective of people who use "entertainment" to share their political views. You don't see political slants in any of the TV shows out there and if you do they are Republican?

I think you might have that twisted.

[mikegideon]

Its not somebody's personal soapbox. It is a collective of people who use "entertainment" to share their political views. You don't see political slants in any of the TV shows out there and if you do they are Republican?

I think you might have that twisted.

What goes on the air has nothing to do with the owners' politics... period. There may be a couple of exceptions, but that's the general rule. The owners care about the balance sheet... period. Is Rush a real conservative? Hell yes. Is Rachel a lib? Absolutely. Do the owners care about anything but their ratings? NO.

Rush is there because of his audience. The minute that audience goes away to the point that someone else can get a bigger one in the same timeslot, Rush goes away.

I'm not going to beat my head against a wall trying to convince you. I know a bunch of those guys, and have been in a bunch of the meetings. I certainly have no reason to blow smoke up your butt. That's my industry's job, and they don't need my help. They're professionals.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Mike, when you watch TV shows that are supposedly just entertainment, can you

sometimes see political jabs? I think of Bonnie Franklin, as one of the more obvious

in its time, but there were a lot more. Rachel's show is intended to be political,

and I dont fault her for that. I just disagree with her.

There is only one network, that I know of that there may be more right sided

influence: FOX, but they are more reasonable in their news reporting than all

the others. We are mostly used to the left leaning so-called mainstream media.

For entertainment to get political is probably normal, but you can't find too many

examples of right-sided politics being displayed, except when it is being derided.

All I can say about Rachel Maddow is, she tries to act like a cheeky intellectual

elite feminist. and her market share, I'm sure, reflects it. I'm also sure you will

say the same for Rush, but it's obvious a lot more like Rush because of content.

[mikegideon]

Suntzu was talking about owners. You are talking about the content folks. They are not the same

[Guest 6.8 AR]

My bad:D

[mikegideon]

My bad:D

Do you think the owners care that Glen Beck is nuttier than a squirrel turd? Nope... just the ratings. Glen is big revenue. So are those bug eating shows.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Stockman's words portrayed by Farrell aren't even accurate, but they are more opinion,

which is fine with me. I know the difference. That's why I usually pay no attention to

writers like him. There are many articles that explain the destruction of our economy and

most, that are truthful, usually point the finger to the democrats and congress, starting

with Wilson, FDR and moving forward. Reagan had a democrat congress to make deals

with, to get his agenda through. Sad fact of life, but he usually accomplished his goal,

while expanding the economy Jimmy Carter couldn't micro manage.

Reagan is one of the few that lived up to the office with dignity and respect, also.

Farrell showed his cards with that article.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

If you would watch Glenn Beck sometime, you might see some history that has

been virtually erased. I know you don't like him, but he can hold his own with

just any revisionist historian and make the revisionist look like a fool. I don't

watch him every day, but when I do, I don't see the garbage some seem to

dwell on. Haters tend to use that "crying" as the norm. Misses the point.

Have you never been passionate? Have some of the trolls never been passionate?

Probably most would never admit it if they were. Once or twice and people

begin to stereotype is a quite preposterous, but criticism is always king. It's

a way of life.

You want to go shooting this weekend? I'm off for three whole days:D

[Guest SUNTZU]

I see I wasn't clear. When I'm talking about TV shows being political, I mean the shows themselves portraying political sentiments, not the guy in the upstairs office cashing checks. Kids and stay at home moms aren't watching the guy upstairs cashing checks, they are watching the TV shows. I'll make a flow chart next time.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

That's why I mentioned Bonnie Franklin. That was back then. They seem to be

the norm with a lot of political dribble included, nowadays.

[mikegideon]

I see I wasn't clear. When I'm talking about TV shows being political, I mean the shows themselves portraying political sentiments, not the guy in the upstairs office cashing checks. Kids and stay at home moms aren't watching the guy upstairs cashing checks, they are watching the TV shows. I'll make a flow chart next time.

Sorry. I misread. No reason to draw a flowchart, because I shouldn't be in this thread. FWIW, yes, there's a ton of slant, and it's mostly liberal.

Ya'll let me know when it's fixed. Going back to my guns now.