Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center

[Smith]

Kinda sounds like a double standard to me. I guess you can say whatever you want as long as you put a smiley at the end of it.

setsdw, seriously... I said it tongue-in-cheek in what was a good discussion. That is why we use smilies to help differentiate "tone". So yes, it does make a difference. I guess I thought our discussion was a little more light hearted than that. (that means give me a brreak) ....... couldn't resist. j/k

[strickj]

Maybe I misread your intent. It's been a long day, but your insinuation that my self or my "church" would kill someone is a little much. If I took it wrong my apology.

Figure of speech.

EG; "That guy looked like he was going to kill me for looking at his wife" ...

FWIW, if it came off wrong, then you have my apology

Now, I saw your pre-edited post before you edited it.

I know Wiki is not the most reliable, but there's plenty of sites from Google search as well...

Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me google that for you

PS, my PM box is now open

[Oh Shoot]

Is there some exact distance where it ceases to be an issue?

- OS

Yes, there is. NOT within the circle of destroyed buildings (i.e g-r-o-u-n-d z-e-r-o), nor any buildings on the inner perimeter of that circle, especially including ones which were directly touched by the attack (such as the proposed site for the mosque). ....

Ah, gotcha.

Then I guess you'd better work on getting either NYC zoning law changed. Which would also require a change to the First Amendment, I'm sure.

My prognostication is that the thing ultimately won't get built at the proposed site, but it won't be any interpretation of any law that will stop it.

Maybe NYC will wind up building it for the Muslims for free somewhere else; who knows, maybe that's the Imam's hidden agenda in the first place.

Which of course would also be a win for Islam.

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

When the city of New York allows that Greek Orthodox Church to be rebuilt,

those of you who think the muslims have a specific right to build around there

are making the case against the 1st Amendment. It sure does seem that we,

all of a sudden, have a bunch of muslim sympathizers around here.

Give them their "special status" among other religions by hiding behind your

1st Amendment argument, which is crap. This isn't about the moderates in

the muslim "religion", it is about radicals that want to do harm to this country.

The moderate muslims have spoken up and are not in favor of this mosque

going in it's present location.

Edited August 26, 2010 by 6.8 AR
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[Oh Shoot]

When the city of New York allows that Greek Orthodox Church to be rebuilt,

....

Save me the research .. catch us up on that?

- OS

[strickj]

When the city of New York allows that Greek Orthodox Church to be rebuilt,

those of you who think the muslims have a specific right to build around there

are making the case against the 1st Amendment. It sure does seem that we,

all of a sudden, have a bunch of muslim sympathizers around here.

Give them their "special status" among other religions by hiding behind your

1st Amendment argument, which is crap. This isn't about the moderates in

the muslim "religion", it is about radicals that want to do harm to this country.

The moderate muslims have spoken up and are not in favor of this mosque

going in it's present location.

This is the same argument lefties use against the 2nd.

And FTR, I am not a Muslim sympathizer.

I am a 1st (and 2nd) supporter.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I posted it several times on a couple different threads

here. It was part of the destruction at ground zero.

NYC won't allow permits for the rebuilding of the church.

Been going on for a couple of years, and this church has

the money to do the job without being aided by our

great Obama State Dept on a whirlwind tour to round up money like they are the muslim imam. And I would have thought you knew about this. Do your own research.

Several of you are spending an inordinate amount of

energy defending a ruse being played on the New

Yorkers and, ultimately, all of the country. I am sure

in the meantime some will see other things happening

that will make you queasy, eventually. Keep on

arguing. Eventually it won't matter, like everything else.

You, who think this is a 1st amendment issue only are

barking up the wrong tree. This is possibly a way to allow the 1st to become trivialized and allow Sharia

law to get it's foot in the door.

[strickj]

I posted it several times on a couple different threads

here. It was part of the destruction at ground zero.

NYC won't allow permits for the rebuilding of the church.

Been going on for a couple of years, and this church has

the money to do the job without being aided by our

great Obama State Dept on a whirlwind tour to round up money like they are the muslim imam. And I would have thought you knew about this. Do your own research.

Several of you are spending an inordinate amount of

energy defending a ruse being played on the New

Yorkers and, ultimately, all of the country. I am sure

in the meantime some will see other things happening

that will make you queasy, eventually. Keep on

arguing. Eventually it won't matter, like everything else.

You, who think this is a 1st amendment issue only are

barking up the wrong tree. This is possibly a way to allow the 1st to become trivialized and allow Sharia

law to get it's foot in the door.

That church is in the Port Authority.

Their permits were denied because they wanted to build it too high and because of money.

FOXNews.com - Decision Not to Rebuild Church Destroyed on 9/11 Surprises Greek Orthodox Leaders

Edited August 26, 2010 by strickj

[Oh Shoot]

That church is in the Port Authority.

Their permits were denied because they wanted to build it too high and because of money.

FOXNews.com - Decision Not to Rebuild Church Destroyed on 9/11 Surprises Greek Orthodox Leaders

"St. Nicholas Orthodox Church has always had and will continue to have the right to rebuild on its original location. The question was whether public money would be spent to build a much larger church at a separate location on the site ..."

Sounds like apples and oranges argument compared to the mosque situation.

- OS

[FUJIMO]

[Guest 6.8 AR]

You cherry picked what you wanted to use to rebuke.

It doesn't explain why there has been a continual stall

on their permits and why, when they are ready, willing

and able, are still being disallowed. It sure seems to be

a double standard to me.

[Guest RevScottie]

You cherry picked what you wanted to use to rebuke.

It doesn't explain why there has been a continual stall

on their permits and why, when they are ready, willing

and able, are still being disallowed. It sure seems to be

a double standard to me.

I would argue that the Greek church should not be discriminated against either. I'm not willing to lose my 1st amendment rights just in order to show some Muslims who is "boss".

[strickj]

"St. Nicholas Orthodox Church has always had and will continue to have the right to rebuild on its original location. The question was whether public money would be spent to build a much larger church at a separate location on the site ..."

Sounds like apples and oranges argument compared to the mosque situation.

- OS

Ok. Thought there was some height problems aswell.

You cherry picked what you wanted to use to rebuke.

It doesn't explain why there has been a continual stall

on their permits and why, when they are ready, willing

and able, are still being disallowed. It sure seems to be

a double standard to me.

What was cherry picked?

That article is from Fox news.

Don't tell me Fox is now biased and unreliable

[Oh Shoot]

You cherry picked what you wanted to use to rebuke.

It doesn't explain why there has been a continual stall

on their permits and why, when they are ready, willing

and able, are still being disallowed. It sure seems to be

a double standard to me.

Read the article.

Cut to the chase, the church kept asking for more.

In every case of building on the NEW site, they were asking for public money to help build a bigger church, some of which the city had even granted. Until they wanted more.

City is willing to let them build on their original site, or seems even on the new one, if the church springs for it themselves.

The mosque is asking for no public money, unless I'm missing something.

I see no discrimination regarding the Greek Orthodox folks.

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I've read other stories, didn't know Fox had covered it, at all. First I've heard about any

height dispute. And I guess there should be no dispute over a 13 floor mosque.

[Guest HvyMtl]

Republican Orrin Hatch Stands Up For Cordoba House (VIDEO) | TPMDC

R-UT Senator Orrin Hatch supports the building of the Cordoba House Community Center... A Mormon supporting it? Yep. Why? Seems because he has seen religious discrimination, and does not like it.

As for the personal back and forth - debate not belittle.

(And someone will call Hatch a RINO in 3...2...)

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I don't think Hatch is a RINO, but I am surprised he

supports this, even being a Mormon. Now, if it was

Lindsay Graham, yeh, a RINO

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Actually, now that I think about it, Hatch is a RINO.

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