Okay, McDonald v Chicago was a big win...what now? Good Article.

[StPatrick]

Saw this on NRO today, and it's a good quick summary of the issues that will be litigated in the wake of the McDonald case, with specifics so you can follow them as they proceed through the courts. If you're into politics, gun ownership, or the politics of gun ownership, it's a must-read.

One Month after McDonald - David Rittgers - National Review Online

[Guest 6.8 AR]

That was good. I didn't realize the number of challenges that were

already in progress. Thanks:D

[Mike.357]

Chicago will do what it wants, what is the Federal gov't going to do? Are they going to send armed troopsinto the city to ensure its residents can possess guns? No, at best they will say something like, Chicago can't bans guns. Big ****ing whoop!

Its a crock of crap.

This is the whole thing about how I feel over the AZ thing going on.

What will the Fed's do about cities or states that flaunt themselves over court rulings?

[JayC]

Chicago will do what it wants, what is the Federal gov't going to do? Are they going to send armed troopsinto the city to ensure its residents can possess guns? No, at best they will say something like, Chicago can't bans guns. Big ****ing whoop!

Its a crock of crap.

This is the whole thing about how I feel over the AZ thing going on.

What will the Fed's do about cities or states that flaunt themselves over court rulings?

It wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility if the Federal government does send troops... Remember what happened in the deep south during the 50's and 60's.

[Mike.357]

It wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility if the Federal government does send troops... Remember what happened in the deep south during the 50's and 60's.

this is not the same country it was in the 60's. Do you really think the Big O has the balls to pull the trigger on us?

Yes this makes sense. Allow Mexicans and Lord knows who else to invade our country then send troops to quell the LEGAL citizens of this place. Actually now that I read what I wrote it would not suprise me. Obama wants to fundamentally change what this place is all about.

[Guest Jamie]

Do you really think the Big O has the balls to pull the trigger on us?

It may end up that this business with Arizona and the illegals answers that question.

After all, if the judges and courts says Az's law is a no go, and they continue to enforce it any way... it's the same situation, isn't it? The feds will either have to take steps to force them to comply, or simply give up and say "never mind".

J.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Jamie

[JayC]

this is not the same country it was in the 60's. Do you really think the Big O has the balls to pull the trigger on us?

Yes this makes sense. Allow Mexicans and Lord knows who else to invade our country then send troops to quell the LEGAL citizens of this place. Actually now that I read what I wrote it would not suprise me. Obama wants to fundamentally change what this place is all about.

I'm concerned about the next Dictator... errr.. President more so than I am about the current one.

This country is just as bad now if not worse than the US during the late 60's... Then it was teenagers and college aged adults willing to riot in the streets... now we have housewives and regular citizens who are marching in the streets (tea party). The current situation is a powder keg that wouldn't take much to set off.

Also, keep in mind that many of us are labeled possible terrorists by our own government....

So yeah I can see situations cropping up "emergencies" that would require the "federal" government to send troops in.

BTW, all it would take is for 1 state to say no more to the federal government over some key issue and they'd try and arrest the Governor of that state... for example if the Governor of AZ stated we're going to check ID's anyhow, no matter what the federal judge says... Or the Governor of MT arresting an ATF agent over their Firearms Freedom Act for kidnapping... Trust me the current mood in the country is just as bad as the late 60's... if not worse IMHO.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

this is not the same country it was in the 60's. Do you really think the Big O has the balls to pull the trigger on us?

Yes this makes sense. Allow Mexicans and Lord knows who else to invade our country then send troops to quell the LEGAL citizens of this place. Actually now that I read what I wrote it would not suprise me. Obama wants to fundamentally change what this place is all about.

I sure do think he would pull the trigger on us. Why do you think

he wouldn't? He has been pulling the trigger at us monetarily

since the beginning of his reign.

Loot the Treasury, then loot the people and remake the country

in his own image. Been working toward that goal for years.

He is just the current progressive in charge. And, some of his

boys and girls with guns will gladly shoot for him.

They need to be dealt with before it gets out of hand, starting

in November, if that is still an option, and I still think it is. Not much

longer, though.

[DaveTN]

The Federal government isn’t going to send troops anywhere. We already fought a war over States Rights and we aren’t going to fight it again.

The state of Illinois and their court systems will determine what will happen with the Chicago gun ban. They could very well tell the Feds to go pond sand. What will happen if they do? Nothing.

You are on one side of the States Rights issue or the other. I am on the side of States Rights. I am not going to go whining to the Feds when a State does something I don’t like. The Federal government does not have the authority to enforce the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment and that is why the SCOTUS gave the states the final say.

[DaveTN]

I sure do think he would pull the trigger on us. Why do you think

he wouldn't? He has been pulling the trigger at us monetarily

since the beginning of his reign.

Loot the Treasury, then loot the people and remake the country

in his own image. Been working toward that goal for years.

He is just the current progressive in charge. And, some of his

boys and girls with guns will gladly shoot for him.

They need to be dealt with before it gets out of hand, starting

in November, if that is still an option, and I still think it is. Not much

longer, though.

It doesn’t matter what he wants it won’t get to the point of anyone taking up arms. He is allowed to do what he has done at the Federal level because the United States Congress is a bunch of sellouts. Troops and cops won’t take up arms against Americans…. It just won’t happen on any kind of scale.

</O:p

He was elected by the poor (the largest voting group) Our economy is failing. Him or someone just like him (Free government hand outs) will be elected again.

[StPatrick]

You are on one side of the States Rights issue or the other. I am on the side of States Rights. I am not going to go whining to the Feds when a State does something I don’t like. The Federal government does not have the authority to enforce the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment and that is why the SCOTUS gave the states the final say.

Actually, with the McDonald ruling, the federal gubmint now has the responsibility to ensure 2nd amendment rights, however the courts interpret them, are upheld. What those rights actually look like is still up to judicial interpretation.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'm concerned about the next Dictator... errr.. President more so than I am about the current one.

This country is just as bad now if not worse than the US during the late 60's... Then it was teenagers and college aged adults willing to riot in the streets... now we have housewives and regular citizens who are marching in the streets (tea party). The current situation is a powder keg that wouldn't take much to set off.

Also, keep in mind that many of us are labeled possible terrorists by our own government....

So yeah I can see situations cropping up "emergencies" that would require the "federal" government to send troops in.

BTW, all it would take is for 1 state to say no more to the federal government over some key issue and they'd try and arrest the Governor of that state... for example if the Governor of AZ stated we're going to check ID's anyhow, no matter what the federal judge says... Or the Governor of MT arresting an ATF agent over their Firearms Freedom Act for kidnapping... Trust me the current mood in the country is just as bad as the late 60's... if not worse IMHO.

Somehow, comparing the hippies and radicals of the sixties to the

Tea Party taking a stand for this country and its constitution, gives

me a little indigestion. Since you are using it to say times may be

getting bad, I'll just take an antacid.

The Governor of AZ is saying she will enforce their law, but maybe

tweak a little to appease the judge.

The sixties was nothing compared to what will happen when our debt

is called, he gives amnesty to the mexicans through the back door,

and he kills a refinery or two with the EPA. Remember cap and trade?

I'm glad I don't know first hand what it was like entering WWII. I'm

a little worried that the next one will be just as bad as that, except it

may be fought, at least partly on our own soil.

There is a price to pay for freedom and we are paying for it already,

but just not with blood. The economic war has already begun.

Governor Brewer is a patriot. Our next governor should only hope to

be as strong willed as she is.

[DaveTN]

The current situation is a powder keg that wouldn't take much to set off.

And what are they going to do? The issue that you don’t address is that the majority of the people in this country voted for Obama. Why? Because half were more interested in seeing a minority elected President than they were in electing a good President and the other half wanted the government to support them while they lay at home on the couch watching Oprah. . Next it’s going to be a woman…. Because after all that is more important…. Isn’t it?

I don’t disagree with the idea that something needs to be done. But I don’t think we have the Patriots in this country anymore to do it. If we did we could get something done at the polls.

We (as individuals) control our money. We control where and when we spend it. We control what businesses and countries get it. That is the biggest weapon we have and as soon as people realize that we can dig ourselves out of the mess we got ourselves into.

So yeah I can see situations cropping up "emergencies" that would require the "federal" government to send troops in.

BTW, all it would take is for 1 state to say no more to the federal government over some key issue and they'd try and arrest the Governor of that state... for example if the Governor of AZ stated we're going to check ID's anyhow, no matter what the federal judge says... Or the Governor of MT arresting an ATF agent over their Firearms Freedom Act for kidnapping... Trust me the current mood in the country is just as bad as the late 60's... if not worse IMHO.

They wouldn’t need to send in troops. Cut Federal aid and they fold…. Same as always.

I'm glad I don't know first hand what it was like entering WWII. I'm a little worried that the next one will be just as bad as that, except it may be fought, at least partly on our own soil.

As long as we have control of our ballistic submarines; a war will not be fought on our soil. Not with another country anyway.

I don’t know what it was like during WWII either, but I have had the privilege of talking to those that were there. They had the patriotism and the manufacturing tools required to win the war; we have neither.

There is a price to pay for freedom and we are paying for it already,but just not with blood. The economic war has already begun.

There is no economic war…. It’s surrender. We are handing our manufacturing base (our economy) over to other countries. We can’t blame our government or another county; we have no one to blame but ourselves.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Our economic war is being fought by the powers

that be in charge right now, and for a long time

in the past, to bankrupt this country. They have

been successful so far and this last year and a

half are about to tip us in the direction the Titanic

went. Companies have been leaving this country

because of the tax laws primarily, for a long time.

With the right tax laws many companies would

fly back here so fast your head would spin. Those

lower taxes and more reasonable regulations

would immediately lower the cost of goods

produced and sold.

Getting rid of those politicians that produce nothing

but crap laws would do much more than one thinks.

It's what got us here in the first place.

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[DaveTN]

Our economic war is being fought by the powers that be in charge right now, and for a long time in the past, to bankrupt this country. They have been successful so far and this last year and a half are about to tip us in the direction the Titanic went. Companies have been leaving this country because of the tax laws primarily, for a long time.

With the right tax laws many companies would fly back here so fast your head would spin. Those lower taxes and more reasonable regulations would immediately lower the cost of goods produced and sold.

Getting rid of those politicians that produce nothing but crap laws would do much more than one thinks.

It's what got us here in the first place.

There is no economic war being fought by government.

When you take your wallet out and buy a product; you are fighting the war. If you choose to buy a product from another county you are sealing your fate. This isn’t rocket science and you don’t need a degree in economics to understand it.

What do you want to get rid of…OSHA, EPA, Workman’s Comp, Employee Insurance, 401K, etc, etc??

I’ve worked in manufacturing for many years and seen many company’s come and go. A company leaving over taxes would be rare if it happened at all. They leave because of cheap labor. Most Americans will buy based on price; not quality or what it is doing to their economy. The only time they want to be patriotic is when it doesn’t cost them anything.

This is a problem that won’t get fixed until people to understand what the problem is. Sure you can blame unions, taxes, and government, whatever….. Anything to not have to look in mirror and see the real cause. (Not you personally)

[Worriedman]

There is no economic war being fought by government.

On this point I disagree, there is in fact an economic war under way, against each of us who has a job. The escalation of "taking" our money through taxes to redistribute to the couch laying crowd is under way, and the present administration is the driving force behind that.

We will have to wait till next April to see the extent, as there is no clear picture of the damage done by killing the Bush Tax cuts, and the charges for health care that are about to erupt like a boil on the collective hinney of the populace.

Then there is the rape to come with the lame duck congress after November, hide and watch.

[bajabuc]

Chicago will do what it wants, what is the Federal gov't going to do? Are they going to send armed troopsinto the city to ensure its residents can possess guns? No, at best they will say something like, Chicago can't bans guns. Big ****ing whoop!

Its a crock of crap.

This is the whole thing about how I feel over the AZ thing going on.

What will the Fed's do about cities or states that flaunt themselves over court rulings?

The same thing they did when Wyoming refused to recind the 19 year old drinking law...withhold federal highway and avation funds

Kansas had the same problem...so ...for one day they raised the drinking age to 45