Article: Why is crime rising in so many American cities?

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American Murder Mystery - Magazine - The Atlantic

Longish but really good article discussing the taboo...

[mikegideon]

American Murder Mystery - Magazine - The Atlantic

Longish but really good article discussing the taboo...

Good article. It shouldn't be taboo at all.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

The part about inner city housing may or may not be the problem, but

I don't see the problem as a housing problem. It's a much bigger one

that involves 'earning' as opposed to 'giving' and lack of parenting. Our

whole welfare system is designed for failure. It's cost this country a

generation or more of our youth. The seeds were planted for this

to happen many years, ago.

It was a good article, like you said, kind of lengthy. I think the correlation

with crime and real estate is easy. It's that way everywhere, but the

real estate is not the problem, just a symptom of where to look.

Changing the address just infects more real estate.

[mikegideon]

Bad parenting is huge, and not just in poor communities. I've seen gazillions of kids that desperately need one of my daddy's ass whippin's, but I think it's illegal now.

Welfare is probably a necessary thing that's poorly administered by our government. As much as it's abused, there are cases where it isn't. Public housing is probably necessary too. It was never really about generocity.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

It's just one more example of our great government screwing

up and costing us.

The big problem with welfare is giving other people's money

away and the recipient not earning it. The recipient becomes

complacent, quits looking for work and has the hand out for

more. The problem with crime is the lack of those 'ass whoopins'

or raising the kids to love and respect family and others and

a respect of the laws and society.

There comes a point in time when you have to flush the toilet

and it starts with the politicians criminal activities by passing

legislation to make us all feel good about ourselves. It's a very complex

problem with a simple solution: flush the toilet and turn off the spigot.

If people want their hand up, that's fine, earn it, somehow. The

welfare state is what's destroying this country.

Charity is what welfare replaced, intentionally, and charity should be the

only system to give people need in times of true need, not dependency.

It is not a role for the government to help everyone, never was, and

never should have become. The more people society places on welfare,

the more crime rises and the less productive society becomes. Jobs

go elsewhere, taxes go up, morals go down. Nothing good about it

Nothing but altruistic stupidity from a marxist central ideology. It

destroys from within.

Give someone a fish and he eats for a day. Teach someone how to fish

and he eats for a lifetime, or something like that.

[1gewehr]

So, these people are amazed that Section 8 housing has crime rates similar to the 'projects' they replaced? Why is it that what is so blindingly obvious to normal people is shocking to liberals?

The same thing happened when they built the projects in the first place! "We'll get these poor people out of the nasty tenements and put them into nice, government-funded highrises where they can leave their old lifestyle behind!!"When the 'projects' just proved to concentrate the criminal elements, they decided that moving spreading them out into nicer apartments (at taxpayer expense) was the answer. Now, they are deciding that Section 8 didn't work either. What's next? Buying them houses in suburban neighborhoods with OUR money??!! What a bunch of maroons!!

[Raoul]

The part about inner city housing may or may not be the problem, but

I don't see the problem as a housing problem. It's a much bigger one

that involves 'earning' as opposed to 'giving' and lack of parenting. Our

whole welfare system is designed for failure. It's cost this country a

generation or more of our youth. The seeds were planted for this

to happen many years, ago.

It was a good article, like you said, kind of lengthy. I think the correlation

with crime and real estate is easy. It's that way everywhere, but the

real estate is not the problem, just a symptom of where to look.

Changing the address just infects more real estate.

+1. However aren't we on about our 4th welfare generation?

[mikegideon]

+1. However aren't we on about our 4th welfare generation?

Nope. It was created by Obama.

[Will Carry]

The Atlantic is a long standing reputable magazine. Very good article. I have seen the same thing in Durham NC. The police and our institutions of law and order are the only thing protecting these gangs. If the system ever breaks down, the gangs will be the first thing to go. I sure wish I lived back in Tennessee up on the Plateau. There are some meth heads and dope growers up there, but nothin like here in Raleigh.

[Guest Straight Shooter]

I FIRMLY believe we have most of the problems we have because of 'welfare". When you "subsidize'" and pay people to do nothing all day...well as the saying goes "Idle hands are the devils workshop". These SAME people, over and over, year after year, generation after generation, get housing, food, medical care and more GIVE to them, and they do nothing but sit back and bitch when 'my check aint here". I wish we would stop it all today. Period, no more. It wouldnt be but about a few months or so, and they would either go to work, or die.

We, the working American taxpayer, through no fault of our own, and against our will, have created more drug addicts, and criminals and lowlifes, than any other single thing. Im sick of it. We should end it completely, or put a LIFETIME MAX of two years, no more. Im all for helping folks...Ive done it and give my last dollar several times...but when when I work my ass off 12 hours a night in a freakin oven, so hot you think your gonna pass out, and I see my tax dollars going to people who are no more trying to better themselves than the man in the moon, I says TO HELL WITH THEM.

Also....folks, theres the way things oughtta be, and then theres the way things are. The two are rarely the same. It just burns my butt that there are people who are still trying to FORCE us to "all get along". Still trying to bring the hood rats into respectable neighborhoods, so we can all be "equal", and we are supposed to all accept them without question, and when their thug lifestyle finally catches up to them, and now a once safe, clean, respectable neighborhood is turned into ghetto, if we blame the ones who really caused it, we are "racist". If thats "racist"...Ill be the poster boy for it then. There are people, MILLIONS of them, who I/WE ARE "better than". Im a God fearing, law abiding, hard working, patriotic citizen who is an asset to this country, never took a dime from the government. Im not a MOOCHER, sucking the system for every freebie one can get, cursing anyone who suggests I "learn to fish" instead of getting the free fish buffet everyday. We hand out free condoms, and needles, and free abortions along with free food, housing and rent, we've got a President who tells people how the"gubment" is gonna take care of you now, cradle to grave, and we wonder why we have all these problems.

Pretty soon, I pray, were gonna have an "ATLAS SHRUGGED" moment, when the producers of society finally get sick and damned tired of working to excel, only to be restrained and taxed by the government so as we are all "equal" and individual achievement deemed "racist", its gonna explode like a powder keg one day. I wish it were today!

[leroy]

Amen to Straight Shooter's post above. The fact is that no one wants to talk about exactly what the problem is. It is the problem of being paid not to work---period!!

I'm old enough to remember the beginnings of the War on Poverty started in the early sixties. All the "war" has done is to make working folks poorer and the folks who needed help the most more dependent.

There will be no improvement in any of this until ALL people get the idea that all work is honorable; and that it is an insult to your brother and to God to "stay on the dole" for your entire life.

Liberal politics and social engineers have created a social underclass that is poor, militant, and sadly; in many cases a danger to their own brothers and sisters. They have allowed the raising of several generations of fatherless children who have turned into monstrous thugs that are busy killing themselves and others with impunity.

In the early sixties, President Kennedy commissioned a study of the deterioration of the black nuclear family in the US. At that time, the illigitimacy rate for blacks was approximately 27%. This number alarmed Kennedy and he was worried that it would spread into the white population and destroy the nuclear family in the US. His fears have come to pass, and it has spread into the general population. Black illigitimacy is aproximately 77%; while white illigitimacy is in the 27% range. This "underclass" has become a political constituency and a powerful force in the Demorat party.

The fact is that the United States has become the greatest "welfare state" for folks below the poverty line that has ever been created. Folks need to wake up. While the "sons and daughters of the kingdom" are sitting on the dole and, for the most part, are putting up with thugs destroying their neighborhoods, while believing the lie that says that there are some jobs that are beneath their dignity and are not fitting for them to do; foreign born folks are busy comming to this country with nothing and becomming very affluent within one generation. Look around at the latino community all over this country, and the vietnamese shrimping community in Lousiania and you can see great examples of this truth. The fact is, that if the 'sons and daughters of the kingdom" do not wake up, they will fade into nothingness and others will take their place.

Polititians of all political stripes had better wake up and realize that most folks are sick of the "welfare state" and "on the dole" philosophy that has permeated our society since the sixties. If they do not grasp this truth; I believe that they will be thrown out and others will take their place. America needs to return to the concept of being a place where folks do a "fair days work for a fair days pay"; not a "non-workers utopia".

Food for thought.

Leroy

[Guest 6.8 AR]

+1. However aren't we on about our 4th welfare generation?

Probably that many. Maybe more, the way they procreate with our generous tax dollars.

Mike. no one ever said Obama created this problem, but I will be glad

to offer up the notion that people with the same ideology did and they

should all go over to Europe and leave this country alone forever more.

"Pretty soon, I pray, were gonna have an "ATLAS SHRUGGED" moment, when the producers of society finally get sick and damned tired of working to excel, only to be restrained and taxed by the government so as we are all "equal" and individual achievement deemed "racist", its gonna explode like a powder keg one day. I wish it were today!"

Straight Shooter. It's already happening. That book will bear out to it's conclusion.

Every time one of those statists does anything, it seems to come right out of that book.

Companies have been leaving for quite a while, just no Hank Reardens to stand up

to them, yet.

[Guest kahrmk]

I live in East Nashville, the massive tracts of Section 8 housing (through the Hope VI projects -those colorful townhomes you see- and the older brick buildings) all funded through the taxes of the working is absurd. But I guess it's better than spreading the residents out to neighborhoods and communities where you end in situations like in the article.

I work with people who have told me their parents, family members, etc have lived in said projects their entire lives. It's quite disgusting. Not only that, they have no qualms and almost brag about living off the government for so long.