Company policies that prevent employees from having firearms in their parked cars.

[vontar]

Here is an interesting puzzle.

Another thread got me thinking about this, but it is closed

I won't name the company I work for.

The company is not posted in a legal way, however inside at the reception desk there is a sign of items that are not allowed, which includes gun. It is not visible on the outside of the building by any means.

As an employee at this company, it is in our handbook that we are not allowed any type of firearms on company property which includes having them in our cars in the parking lot.

This effectively prevents people that may have HCP from being able to carry To and From work to protect themselves while they travel.

[Mike]

Loose lips sink ships.

Keep it hidden and don't ever talk about it

[E4 No More]

Yes, it does; which is why the legislature is entertaining measures to prevent this situation. One is outlawing the employer's abilty to search your vehicle. This is because we have some whiners that think their property rights trump your right to live.

[Mike.357]

Loose lips sink ships.

Keep it hidden and don't ever talk about it

qft

[Oh Shoot]

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As an employee at this company, it is in our handbook that we are not allowed any type of firearms on company property which includes having them in our cars in the parking lot.

This effectively prevents people that may have HCP from being able to carry To and From work to protect themselves while they travel.

Yep, that's simply the way it is currently.

1. It's legal to have unloaded gun in your car as long as you can legally own a gun.

2. It's legal to have loaded gun in your car with HCP.

3. It's legal for your employer to fire you for doing either 1 or 2.

- OS

[Mike]

qft

[Guest HvyMtl]

This is a gut reaction by the company's risk management. They think, incorrectly, the policy removes the chance of an enraged employee going back to his/her car and coming back in to shoot.

Fear makes things more acceptable than they should be.

[G27]

IMO, civil disobedience, on the down low, is the way to go here. I'm all for personal property rights, right up until they impinge upon my civil rights...

[Fallguy]

Yep....this is not exactly new.....

[vontar]

To add to this, the parking lot is not posted, the entrance to the building is not posted.

So simple fact, anyone of you could actually visit said business, park in the parking lot and having your gun with your HCP and not be being any law.

However, security might call a LEO and ask you to leave, being private property and all, and if you actually did have a reason to be at said business you would not get past the front desk with out an escort, which is where there is a sign that you can not carry inside, but you would have already been inside the building before you found that out.

[Guest broncobuddha]

It's not really a matter of legality here. If it's against company policy, they can fire you for violating their rules. Period.

Keep it quiet.

[Chris]

I wish it were a simple decision for employers. If you do allow firearms carry on the premises and someone complains, you can be sued for creating a "hostile" work place. In todays overly PC world, it's amazing how easy it is for employers to get hosed because one of your employees felt "uncomfortable". It doesn't even have to be a legitimate complaint, the defense legal fees alone will cripple most companies. Fully half of what our HR department does is help us thread our way through the nightmare of government rules and regulations.

[Guest tnxdshooter]

Yup,

Me and a buddy of mine were just talking one day at a job I had at the time he simply asked me who I was voting for in the upcoming election (bush or kerry) when I advised of my choice I asked him who he was voting for and he advised me of his choice. The next day I get called into HR and fired because some jackass felt uncomfortable about talking politics at work. My buddy got fired to.

[tnhawk]

Yup,

Me and a buddy of mine were just talking one day at a job I had at the time he simply asked me who I was voting for in the upcoming election (bush or kerry) when I advised of my choice I asked him who he was voting for and he advised me of his choice. The next day I get called into HR and fired because some jackass felt uncomfortable about talking politics at work. My buddy got fired to.

I would be uncomfortable working in a place where I had my freedom of speech removed. They did you a favor!

[enfield]

I would be uncomfortable working in a place where I had my freedom of speech removed. They did you a favor!

Tell your boss he's an @sshole and see how freedom of speech works at your job.

[tnhawk]

Tell your boss he's an @sshole and see how freedom of speech works at your job.

I'm too old to start kissing @ss now! If smells I don't step in it:poop:

[vontar]

Maybe we should sue the companies we work for tell them we feel unsafe since we are not protected at the work place against armed thugs breaking in.

[RobD]

I work for a company with the same type of policies, I knew a guy that worked there and had a gun in the car. His car was broken into on company property. When the company got a copy of the police report and noticed the gun on there he was promptly fired.

[Moped]

It's one of those situations where you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. My Company is the same way. Don't ask, don't tell.

[Guest 1eyedwillie]

I work for a company with the same type of policies, I knew a guy that worked there and had a gun in the car. His car was broken into on company property. When the company got a copy of the police report and noticed the gun on there he was promptly fired.

This is why this needs to be high on the list of laws to work on during the next legislative session.

[Guest Dean Wormer]

Loose lips sink ships is the best advice you can follow, when at work:

keep your mouth shut about guns

keep your mouth shut about politics

keep your mouth shut about religion

keep your mouth shut about alcohol

listen to what everyone else says about the above.

Random thoughts:

If the building is not posted, whats stopping you from straight up CCW at work? You are just as fired whether its in the car or on you and its just as legal as far as the law is concerned, and you don't risk it being stolen from your vehicle. Plus, they are far more likely to search your car than to search you.

If you do leave it in your car, for goodness sakes get a little lockbox for it. Get creative about where you hide it, glove compartment and center console are off the list.

If you can, park on the street, they can't touch you there.

[vontar]

Loose lips sink ships is the best advice you can follow, when at work:

keep your mouth shut about guns

keep your mouth shut about politics

keep your mouth shut about religion

keep your mouth shut about alcohol

listen to what everyone else says about the above.

Random thoughts:

If the building is not posted, whats stopping you from straight up CCW at work? You are just as fired whether its in the car or on you and its just as legal as far as the law is concerned, and you don't risk it being stolen from your vehicle. Plus, they are far more likely to search your car than to search you.

If you do leave it in your car, for goodness sakes get a little lockbox for it. Get creative about where you hide it, glove compartment and center console are off the list.

If you can, park on the street, they can't touch you there.

That is so right.

We Live in such a dam PC (politically correct) world, is limits free speech. Your list of topics among the things that can cause fight and other disagreements faster then anything else.

It is common knowledge some park off site for the reason above, however I don't like the thought of parking off site because that makes your car/truck a stand out target as why it is offsite. Inside the company people know and people talk.

*****however, I found something out today talking with security**********

I just found a loop hole, my company shares a parking lot with another company, and it seems if Parked in the shared lot, which is owned by the other company, my company can't request to search my car/truck as it is not on their property. I got that from our Pro Gun security guard. I normally already park in that lot.

When I get my HCP and start carrying I have considered getting a small lock, I could bolt down in my truck for those times I have to leave my gun in my truck.

[Guest spoolie]

Good way to get fired and be unemployed when you maybe bend over and pick up something or someone accidentally catches a glimpse......it can happen.

[BigK]

My company's policy says "no firearms on company property". My office is in a building where we lease half of a floor and we park in a partially undergroung parking garage. There are 8 or more companies sharing the common areas and the parking garage (i.e. no parking level is exclusively for a single tenant).

Do you think they "CAN" search my car? What reason would they have to come up with to search an employee's car or they even need a reason?

[Guest Dean Wormer]

Good way to get fired and be unemployed when you maybe bend over and pick up something or someone accidentally catches a glimpse......it can happen.

Well yeah, its not like you are going to be carrying a fullsize IWB/OWB; you'll be carrying a subcompact in some form of very deep carry.