GOA Supports Ron Ramsey for Governor

[Guest HvyMtl]

Hmm. I will check Wamp's voting record. The info I was going on was from the Tennessean. Dont recall the date of the article. And, silly me, I should know better than to rely on the Tennessean.

He did miss the vote on the bank/loan reform legislation just passed by the house... a critical vote to miss.

Dave Ramsey supports Wamp?

Edited July 1, 2010 by HvyMtl

[Mark A]

In addition to tarp etc Wamp promised to only run for a couple of terms when he was first elected. Once he got up there he quickly changed his tune and served a total of 6 terms (If I remember correctly). So, for me:

1) Ramsey

2) Wamp

3) Consider moving??

Mark

[Superposed]

I know Ramsey is not supposed to have as much money as Haslam and Wamp but when is he going to come out of hiding in the mainstream media? Haslam and Wamp are covering up the airways with ads and nothing from Ramsey since his stupid "boot" ad (in the Chattanooga area). He may be the best thing going but his name recognition has to be zilch to most of the state.

Superposed

[kb4ns]

you know where i can get a sign in memphis?

Get your Yard Signs! | Ron Ramsey for Governor

[mikegideon]

Unfortunately it is very rare these days that any candidate is simply the obvious man/woman for the job, that everyone likes and there are no issues that would make you question him/her about their past. Everyone of them will have positives and negatives no matter who they are. That is how I go about choosing the one who gets my vote, weighing the +'s and -'s.

HvyMtl, if all that you do is focus on all of the negatives you will never vote again. No one will ever measure up. I typically don't like someone like Ramsey who is, as you say, a "Politician" but he has a record that shows me that he is a true 2A supporter and has been for a long time.

Ramsey is the man for me at this point in the campaign and I don't see that changing.

+1. All politicians break things, no matter what their intentions when they take office. I don't expect much progress out of any of them. A politician's position on gun rights weighs very heavily with me. I may do a little more research if I feel like I can stand more self abuse, but right now, my choice is pretty clear. Gimme one of those yard signs.

EDIT: Thanks for the link kb4. Ordered a couple.

Edited July 4, 2010 by mikegideon

[Guest 1010011010]

Probably the hands-down winner as far as support for the right to keep and bear arms, but his views on bringing Arizona-style "Papers Please" immigration law to Tennessee and denial of a person's right to choose how their body is used have a serious anti-freedom bent to them.

Could be he's just pandering to the "conservative" platform on those points, but it doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.

[Rog O]

I corrected a typing error in the above statement

Thanks tnhawk, that's what I ment.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I ordered a couple Ramsey signs, also. I want to see him get more

exposure in Clarksville. Wamp and Haslam signs are showing up,

but not widespread. Thanks for the link.

[USMCJG]

Probably the hands-down winner as far as support for the right to keep and bear arms, but his views on bringing Arizona-style "Papers Please" immigration law to Tennessee and denial of a person's right to choose how their body is used have a serious anti-freedom bent to them.

Could be he's just pandering to the "conservative" platform on those points, but it doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.

You haven't even read the Arizona immigration bill, have you?

[Guest 1010011010]

You haven't even read the Arizona immigration bill, have you?

I have. The only part I find particularly objectionable is the stop-and-identify on "reasonable suspicion"... this is a particular problem here as TN is not, to my knowledge, a stop-and-identify state; meaning this law would represent an expansion of police power (and a reduction in the rights of people to be secure in their papers and person).

[leroy]

All:__________________

Here is a quick news update and some hillside analysis from yours truly from our "news bunker" hidden in the hills of East Tennessee.

Was watching one of the Knoxville TV stations for the noon news and weather. There was a segment interviewing Haslam and Wamp; asking about the gubernatorial primary. Haslam was cordial and confident. He spoke in kind generalities. Wamp made quite a stump speech about the 'tea party folks" not being united in their support. He said that there was not a clear "tea party" movement in Tennessee, and that "tea party" organizations were fractured in their support of various candidates. He seemed to be disparaging any "consensus' tea party candidate endorsement as small potatoes.

This means one of two things to me; the first, he could have been ambushed by a reporter who wanted to cast him in a poor light to give cover to the Demorats or Haslam.

The second, he is genuinely worried about Ramsey and is seeking to paint him and the "tea party" folks as political minor leaguers. A move that I think is an abysmally foolish mistake in judgment for a politician. Having said all that; and to give "Stateline" (...my pet name for Wamp...) the benefit of the doubt; he sometimes sticks his foot in his mouth and doesn’t mean things the way they come out.

Conclusion: I believe both Wamp and Haslam are genuinely worried about Ramsey; but they don’t want to telegraph the message to anyone that they are. I say, keep up the good work Ron and "tea party" operatives. We could use a good housecleaning in Tennessee!!

Thats all from the "news bunker"

Leroy reporting.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I think the Tea Party needs to get very active in Ron Ramsey's campaign.

I wish Sarah Palin or Jim Demint or someone would come out and endorse him.

[Guest 1010011010]

Didn't various representatives of the TN Tea party protest/criticize the National Tea Party Convention (with Sarah Palin as a guest speaker) back in February? Her endorsement might not be a good thing.

[USMCJG]

I have. The only part I find particularly objectionable is the stop-and-identify on "reasonable suspicion"... this is a particular problem here as TN is not, to my knowledge, a stop-and-identify state; meaning this law would represent an expansion of police power (and a reduction in the rights of people to be secure in their papers and person).

It's a reasonable suspicion that they have committed or are in the process of committing a crime, not a reasonable suspicion that they are illegal(even though that is a crime). TN is not a stop and identify state, but you can be detained and forced to show ID if it is believed that you have committed or are in the process of committing a crime. Arizona law is no different. Under Arizona law you cannot be stopped and ordered to produce identification because you look like you may be an illegal alien. That is not how it works, no matter what the messiOh, Maddow, or any other socialist mouthpiece would have you believe.

[leroy]

Fellow news hounds:_______________

Found this while looking for some other "Tea Party" stuff. It must be the source of what i saw at noon:

Wamp and Haslam speak

about Tea Party's support

for Ramsey

WBIR.com Updated: 7/4/2010 9:41:10 PM

Posted: 7/4/2010 9:27:19 PM

Two candidates looking to become next governor

spent, at least part of their Fourth of July holiday, on

the campaign trail.

Bill Haslam and Zach Wamp attended Sunday

afternoon's HonorAir ceremony at the Festival on the

Fourth. Afterwards, 10News asked both republicans

about the latest Knoxville tea decision to support

their opponent, Republican Ron Ramsey.

"We have some support from the tea party folks. We

actually feel like we have good, broad support all

the way across the state, in a lot of different groups

, so I feel confident in kind of what the polls are

telling us and what our on-the-network of people

are showing us across the state," said Haslam.

"The tea party people are split up in all different

kinds of directions, plus there's not a unified state

tea party party effort in Tennessee, never has been,

there's a whole slew of tea parties, so he's kind of

grasping at straws," explained Wamp.

Click on the video included to see full interviews

Text of interviews dont change the analysis above. They are worried (...I believe...).

Link here: WBIR.com | Knoxville, TN | Wamp and Haslam speak about Tea Party's support for Ramsey

Check this out fromm the American Spectator Blog earlier this year (Feb. 23, 2010):

By The Prowler on 2.23.10 @ 6:08AM

The Tennessee gubernatorial primary is six months away, but things are already heating up in a race where Republicans can take another statehouse back from the Democrats. More importantly to conservatives, the race is pitting a classic, grassroots conservative, Congressman Zach Wamp, against moderate to liberal establishment Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam, who is banking on family name recognition and family money to carry him over the finish line.

Haslam has committed untold millions of his family money in what up until a couple weeks ago was considered a mediocre campaign. He held a disastrous press briefing in Nashville late last year where he was unable to state a clear position on any of the issues reporters asked him to comment on, and has thus far refused to release his federal tax returns as other candidates have. A now-famous YouTube

only exacerbated the perception that Haslam was not ready for a promotion beyond mayor or a job back at his father's business.

Then, a week before the Winter Olympics, Haslam's campaign guru, Tom Ingram, unveiled a splashy TV ad featuring the candidate and others walking around Tennessee with big red umbrellas, raising comparisons to either Citigroup or Mary Poppins advertisements. Regardless, the ad, which Haslam ran during the Olympics at a cost of almost a million dollars, is memorable. Haslam continues to trail Wamp in most polls, but almost immediately, as Haslam opened his checkbook for the ad buys, friendly media outlets began touting Haslam's perceived momentum and portraying him as the presumptive winner in the GOP primary.

Beyond Wamp, who has led most polls for months, Tennessee's Republican lieutenant governor, Ron Ramsey and local district attorney Bill Gibbons, are also seeking the nomination. Ramsey is popular with among some conservatives and members of the state party establishment, and Gibbons has been a feisty campaigner.

But in a state where the tea party movement has strong roots -- Nashville has been the epicenter of several grassroots conservative and tea party conferences over the past year -- many national conservatives believe Wamp has out-worked Haslam and the rest of the field.

"Bill believes a checkbook and some name recognition of the family name will get you two-thirds of the way to the nomination," says a long-time observer of Tennessee politics. "I'd compare Haslam's approach this year to [Harold] Ford's Senate run a few years ago. I think most folks are ready for some new blood." Harold Ford, Jr. ran a lackluster campaign for the Senate in 2006, in which he had superior name recognition and actually led in a number of polls throughout the campaign against Republican Bob Corker. But Ford was perceived not to be working the campaign trail terribly hard, and in the end lost the race by less than three percentage points.

The presumed Democrat nominee in the gubernatorial race is businessman Mike McWherter, who is also being challenged by state senator Jim Kyle and former state legislator Kim McMillan. And some Democrats say they are actually working to help Haslam overcome the energy behind Wamp to give their man a better shot at the governor's mansion. "Given where things are going politically around the country, the state party would prefer Haslam over Wamp," says a DNC media consultant. "Wamp has worked hard on the grassroots and tea party types over the past few months and has the energy there. Haslam is running your typical Republican, establishment campaign. We'll take that over the tea-bagger grassroots types this election cycle."

Link here: http://spectator.org/archives/2010/02/23/tea-party-tennessee

More news: Check this link out, Tea Party related and hilarious ---it's great: http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/?p=6051

Leroy

Edited July 6, 2010 by leroy
added American Spectator Blog entry!!

[Guest 1010011010]

It's a reasonable suspicion that they have committed or are in the process of committing a crime, not a reasonable suspicion that they are illegal(even though that is a crime).

It is a reasonable suspicion "that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States" and it may occur during "any lawful contact".

TN is not a stop and identify state, but you can be detained and forced to show ID if it is believed that you have committed or are in the process of committing a crime.

You can't be forced to show identification documents outside of circumstance where you would be obligated to be carrying them. If you are operating a motor vehicle you should have a driver's license and can be compelled to show that, but if you are a(n unarmed) pedestrian you have no obligation to carry an identification document thus making is nonsensical for you to be "forced to show ID" when you have none to show.

Also, note the "reasonable suspicion" may occur during "any lawful contact" not only "while being detained on suspicion of having committed or in the process of committing a crime".

Arizona law is no different. Under Arizona law you cannot be stopped and ordered to produce identification because you look like you may be an illegal alien. That is not how it works, no matter what the messiOh, Maddow, or any other socialist mouthpiece would have you believe.

Oh, I'm sure. But "any lawful contact" can turn into an invasive determination of your immigration status on nothing more than "reasonable suspicion".

Edit: Bah! I've been referencing a copy of SB1070. "Lawful contact" was changed to "lawful stop detention or arrest" and some other restrictions added on when ICE inquiry could be made in the final law.

Edited July 5, 2010 by 1010011010

[Guest Hillbilly Dan]

Lt. Gov Ramsey has my vote. He attend the Friends of NRA Banquet in Jackson, TN and showed us all that he supports The NRA and our rights. He later went to a 2nd Banquet that I had a chance to attend and that was at Fayette Co's Banquet. We need a man like him who is not afraid of Washington and one who knows what is the right thing to do, and does it.

He has my vote and I will help him in any way I can. Including a donation.

[Guest 1eyedwillie]

It is quite common to have no candidate you are really comfortable with in any election. Yes, they are all politicians. Having said that, you pick your key issues and vote for the candidate who you think will do less damage to those issues. You figure they will compromise on some things when they get elected.

There are other aspects in life that I am concerned about, but the 2nd amendment is at the top of my list. If the candidate respects my right to protect myself and my family, I have to look at that as a positive in their favor.

As others have said, my opinion is that Ron Ramsey is the better of the choices when it comes to respecting the 2nd amendment, so he will get my vote.