do you believe Kyl or Obama

[Mike.357]

most of you probably have heard of Kyl's accusation and the Obama people's denial about amnesty before border security.

( here is a thread about that story http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/national-politics-legislation/41950-presidents-thought-arizona-border.html )

So who do you believe?

I thought a poll was in order.

Edited June 22, 2010 by Mike.357
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[Guest 6.8 AR]

Kyl, hands down. Why would he say what he did, if it wasn't true? It's his state that's

being held hostage. And where are the so-called 1200 extra personnel Obama

promised?

[Mike.357]

and why wasn't the story on the 6 pm news or on the front page of the local bird cage liner?

The lengths the media goes to not report legitimate news which paints the annointed one in a bad light is incredible.

This story should be everywhere.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

If the media wanted everyone to know,

they would have mentioned it. It isn't in the

liberal playbook. The WH even used Bill

Burton instead of Gibbs, because Gibbs

couldn't handle it the other day during

the daily press briefing. WH is running

for cover on this issue. It's amazing what

Fox reports and some hate their slant.

[G27]

It's easy to argue either way - Kyl could be trying to force Obama to act, but empirical evidence would suggest that Obama is using it as a bargaining chip.

I suspect we'll not know the truth as if Kyl is telling the truth, the public backlash may be strong enough to move for impeachment.

[Mike.357]

I knew the answers, just kind of asking out loud.

The thing I really can't figure is why in the world would Obama say something like this. I mean, believing in it is one thing, but to come right out and say it??? That really tells me what I have figured all along. Obama is a hot head, can be goaded into shooting himself in the foot and is a complete nin-com-poop. How did the guy figure Kyl was not going to say what he was told? It does not give me much confidence in the leadership of the country.

How does a president come out and say that he will not guard the borders unless the illegals get their free ride? How is impeachment not been started?

So many questions and only one answer.

[Guest uofmeet]

When has obama told the truth?

[Guest SUNTZU]

No teleprompter(handler) in that office meeting I would venture to guess.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Why wouldn't he say something like this behind

closed doors? He just didn't realize the politics would

Be exposed. There are some(Kyl is one) without

such a tainted political history that will be hard to

refute. The GOP had better stick behind him, also.

Kyl is trying to het help in his state and is tired of

the issue being politicized. Crimsonaudio, are you

mellowing?

[G27]

Crimsonaudio, are you

mellowing?

Hehe, I've decided to guard what I say closely after reading some things others have said recently on other forums that seemed, err, dangerous.

I'm ready for pitchforks and torches in 2010, but have decided it's better to speak softly...

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I knew you were smarter than me:D I just can't

help myself. You are probably right.

[Volzfan]

I wouldn't trust BHO to tell me what today's date is!

[Guest HvyMtl]

NEITHER. As BOTH have political agendas behind the event...

[Mike.357]

I wonder who voted that they believed obama.

No reasoning was given here.

[G27]

I wonder who voted that they believed obama.

No reasoning was given here.

I'm pretty sure it was 6.8AR...

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'm pretty sure it was 6.8AR...

Uh huh! You telling me to change my avatar subtly?

[mikegideon]

Uh huh! You telling me to change my avatar subtly?

I think you should. I was looking for a black guy with big ears, and found a white guy with a trunkload of AR15's instead

[mikegideon]

BTW... I believe Kyl is probably right on the message, but probably spun the words a little for effect. Obama has been pretty clear about holding out for "comprehensive" reform, which just means securing the borders + amnesty.

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

When has obama told the truth?

I think a couple times in his books where he says he will forever stand with the muslims and that he does not trust white people. Those things I believe but other than that I cant think of any other time he has told the truth. Certainly not during the campaign or since. At least none I can think of.

No teleprompter(handler) in that office meeting I would venture to guess.

Exactly, that is why he felt he could speak his mind. Never a clue that someone would have the guts to reveal what he said.

Mike, You start funny threads:D

[TomR]

That's a hard one. Obama is a chronic liar who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the butt. I guess I believe Kyl.

[eapking]

Why should the Big O start telling the truth now? Chicago politics...how true.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I think you should. I was looking for a black guy with big ears, and found a white guy with a trunkload of AR15's instead

Fooled you, didn't I? Ahh, life is full of ironies

[Guest 6.8 AR]

There are two US Senators I wouldn't really question what they said, and one is Kyl.

The other is Jim Demint. Obama is finally being exposed. I just hope he keeps screwing up.

[Mike.357]

Obama is finally being exposed. I just hope he keeps screwing up.

no reason to think he won't keep on keeping on. If the socialists are not voted out in November this country is done. Obama will see reelection of his people as a mandate to pour it on.

something has to happen to right what is wrong

[mikegideon]

no reason to think he won't keep on keeping on. If the socialists are not voted out in November this country is done. Obama will see reelection of his people as a mandate to pour it on.

something has to happen to right what is wrong

The plot thickens. Now (yesterday) Obama has asked for funding to increase border security. What took so long?

We have a much larger problem on our hands. Sorry politicians... ALL of them, put their own worthless hides in front of our needs every time. If we find one that's not scumbag, we give them a four year scholarship to scumbag college. How do we deal with that?