Whoopee..Mosin

[Glenn]

Just got back from the Knoxville Chilhowee Park gun show. Picked up a 1925 91 Mosin. It's a hex receiver. When I started wiping it down I realized that all the serial numbers seem to match. At least the receiver, bolt, and magazine floorplate and butt plate do. Are the numbers anywhere else? If anyone can offer advice on breaking it down to clean the grease off I would appreciate it.

Here are a few pictures. I will get some better one's later.

PS. I know the bayonet is not on right. That is as far as it will go.

Glenn

Edited June 12, 2010 by Glenn

[Glenn]

After a little research I see that while all parts have the same numbers, the numbers are not the same shape as the numbers on receiver, which means they don't really match. i have figured out it is a Izhevsk ex-Dragoon.

Glenn

Edited June 12, 2010 by Glenn

[Guest coldblackwind]

Check out 7.62X54R.net It'll tell you what pretty much every marking on the gun means. Good site for information on mosins. Nice gun by the way.

[Garufa]

Very nice.

Yes, that is an ex-dragoon and the 4 places you mentioned for numbers are where they go. Typefaces may be different but that's still all matching.

As far as disassembly goes there are two screws and two barrel bands. The barrel bands are held in place by those leaf springs. They slide forward...take care not to scratch up the shellac too much...it's very easy to do. The two screws are self-explanatory.

Rags and Hoppes #9 will get the grease off.

Edited June 12, 2010 by Garufa

[Mike.357]

looks like a Mosin Nagant, congrat's!

Now get a crate of ammo.

Starting fluid works pretty good to get Cosmoline off of metal parts, especially in tight spaces. Don't get it on the wood.

[Glenn]

I have been checking out 7.62X54R.net. That is where I read that the numbers should all be in the same typeface. They called what I have "force-matched"It has obviously been refurbed because it gas the hooded sight and the split barrel bands which I believe are not correct. I will start really cleaning it up tomorrow. This afternoon I am covered up with honey-do work since I forgot our anniversary yesterday.

glenn

[Mike.357]

if it was force matched the numbers would be electro penciled, if it has stamped numbers it matches.

The bayonet obviously does not match or it would fit. I bought a bayonet for mine and had to dremel it out a bit to get it to fit right.

[Garufa]

if it was force matched the numbers would be electro penciled, if it has stamped numbers it matches.

or it would have a number struck out and another stamped on.

They were all refurbed after the war and put into storage (mostly).

[Mike.357]

or what Garufa said.

On my 91/30 the only thing that matches is the bolt and receiver. I don't think the butt plate or mag floor plate matters much. Even the bolt does not matter provided it was head spaced when it was re-armoured. And surely it was.

And I would not trade my rifle for anybodies. There are many like it but this one is mine.

[DaveTN]

If anyone can offer advice on breaking it down to clean the grease off I would appreciate it.

Step by step with pictures...

The rifle...

Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2006) - Surplusrifle.com

The bolt...

Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2006) - Surplusrifle.com

If you look, there is also a link on those pages to download a PDF of those intructions.

Good luck with your new toy.

[Glenn]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I am looking forward to getting it cleaned up and shooting. One other question. Since it has brass fittings that are covered in mill marks, would it be stupid to smooth them up? Not polished but just to remove the grind marks.

Glenn

[Mike.357]

I doubt it ruins the rifle any either left alone or cleaned up.

The rifle most likely took out a Nazi or two, or at least was fired at them in anger.

Me, I would leave it alone. The tooling marks or whatever they may be add to the character of the piece.

[xd shooter]

Save this as a bookmark or to your documents.

It come in handy till you do it a couple times.

Mosin Nagant Rifle Exploded Views and Disassembly

http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks.htm

[Guest nathan362]

Nice Izhevsk ex dragoon ya got there! If you ever find one like that with the old sights on it, better snatch it up! The numbers may have been scrubbed at some point, meaning the old numbers were filled and smoothed, and the new number matching the gun stamped. It was done during refurb and is matching. Cool gun!