legal or illegal

[enfield]

Conceal, go in the door that ain't legally marked, leave upon request.

Repeat.

[Guest Tygarys]

There is a resturant here in Memphis that is similar to this called Rain, that posts with the "gunbuster" sign. But they put the sign on a wall inside and you can't see it until well after you walk in. Always wondered if that was legal or not...

[Guest GLOCKGUY]

There is a restaurant here in Memphis that is similar to this called Rain, that posts with the "gunbuster" sign. But they put the sign on a wall inside and you can't see it until well after you walk in. Always wondered if that was legal or not...

I was wondering the same thing, their is places around here that is posted like that you cant see it unless your in side the place looking for the sign...

[Guest TCW]

There is a resturant here in Memphis that is similar to this called Rain, that posts with the "gunbuster" sign. But they put the sign on a wall inside and you can't see it until well after you walk in. Always wondered if that was legal or not...

MY understanding of statute 39-17-1359 is that the sign you mention isn't properly posted so therefore it isn't valid.

39-17-1359. Prohibition at certain meetings — Posting notice. —

Posted notices shall be displayed in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the building, portion of the building or buildings where weapon possession is prohibited. If the possession of weapons is also prohibited on the premises of the property as well as within the confines of a building located on the property, the notice shall be posted at all entrances to the premises that are primarily used by persons entering the property. The notice shall be in English but a notice may also be posted in any language used by patrons, customers or persons who frequent the place where weapon possession is prohibited. In addition to the sign, notice may also include the international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle. The sign shall be of a size that is plainly visible to the average person entering the building, premises or property.......

Tom

[Guest pws_smokeyjones]

Regarding the OP's original question, I don't think that J. Alexanders 'posting' would be considered legal. I personally believe carrying in that situation would have been fine. It is a common understanding that the 'gun buster' sign has a RED circle and slash so if it was a black/white or watermark type thing like you describe then that is nothing more than a conversation piece at best IMO.

[Oh Shoot]

NM

[Guest bkelm18]

Regarding the OP's original question, I don't think that J. Alexanders 'posting' would be considered legal. I personally believe carrying in that situation would have been fine. It is a common understanding that the 'gun buster' sign has a RED circle and slash so if it was a black/white or watermark type thing like you describe then that is nothing more than a conversation piece at best IMO.

Nowhere does it specify what color the symbol must be.

This is from Amendment 1 of the recently passed bill:

This amendment authorizes the use of the international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle as an alternative to the statutory signage language to prohibit the possession of firearms on the posted property.

[Fallguy]

Regarding the OP's original question, I don't think that J. Alexanders 'posting' would be considered legal. I personally believe carrying in that situation would have been fine. It is a common understanding that the 'gun buster' sign has a RED circle and slash so if it was a black/white or watermark type thing like you describe then that is nothing more than a conversation piece at best IMO.

I don't think it is legal for seveal reasons...

But nothing in the new law says the "circle and slash" symbol has to be read, only "plainy visable"

[mcurrier]

NM

New Mexico?

Never Mind?

Neiman Marcus?

[Oh Shoot]

New Mexico?

Never Mind?

Neiman Marcus?

now mcurrier

- OS

[Guest pws_smokeyjones]

Fair enough. I completely concur that the law does not state that the circle/slash must be in red. However it does say that it must be plainly visible and a watermark or 'light background image' like the OP described does not qualify as plainly visible to me. I was only pointing out that most of us think of the circle/slash as being in red with respect to what our eyes are looking for when we scan the door of a building to see if it is posted.

Kind of like a stop sign being red or a yield sign being yellow. While I understand that those examples are standards by law, our minds are subconsciously looking for those color/shape combos. If a stop sign was blue, green or black (simply for the sake of argument - I realize that would not be a legal sign) then we would most likely miss it entirely.

So I still maintain that if a business posted with a circle/slash that was a black and white photo etc... that it would be very easy to miss that sign because it would not qualify as plainly visible.

[Fallguy]

Fair enough. I completely concur that the law does not state that the circle/slash must be in red. However it does say that it must be plainly visible and a watermark or 'light background image' like the OP described does not qualify as plainly visible to me. I was only pointing out that most of us think of the circle/slash as being in red with respect to what our eyes are looking for when we scan the door of a building to see if it is posted.

Kind of like a stop sign being red or a yield sign being yellow. While I understand that those examples are standards by law, our minds are subconsciously looking for those color/shape combos. If a stop sign was blue, green or black (simply for the sake of argument - I realize that would not be a legal sign) then we would most likely miss it entirely.

So I still maintain that if a business posted with a circle/slash that was a black and white photo etc... that it would be very easy to miss that sign because it would not qualify as plainly visible.

I don't disagree....

[Oh Shoot]

...

So I still maintain that if a business posted with a circle/slash that was a black and white photo etc... that it would be very easy to miss that sign because it would not qualify as plainly visible.

Doesn't really ultimately matter what you and I think, though, does it?

- OS