BP Oil spill is NOT 'Epic'. Not even close.

[Guest db99wj]

I just got word, I may be pulled from my current location tommorow to Mobilize a system to go out on that job, if so I will do my best to stop this leak, will let you all know what I find out

Great, git r done!

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Indeed.

More than a few of us suspect BP is less concerned with plugging this leak than they are of losing their entire investment in this well, hence the seemingly half-*ssed attempts.

Don't you think that leak, their investment and the damage to the gulf are tied together? All this armchair quarterbacking about the "Evil" BP is not

a good sign. If some of you are so knowledgeable about undersea oil well

technology, I'm sure people like willis68 appreciates your input. Otherwise,

let the government take it over like GM. I'm sure they will do a better job of it. They always do, don't they? They didn't even offer assistance. But they did send a bill.

"El Rushbo and his minions" ? That's good, Straight Shooter. If you wish to

talk about entitlement, open up another thread and let's get on it.

Something about this topic is really bothering me. It appears to be getting

the emotional side of people that usually apply a lot more rational thought than what's been said, lately. I know full well I don't have any magical

solution to this problem, but rushing to judgment about BP, and boycott?

That's a bit shallow.

Impatience usually leads to bad ideas, and in some cases bad laws, that affect us way into the future, sometimes with less desirable consequences.

Skully, some of us agree with you and don't buy into the liberal media.

I guess they call us minions.

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

I saw this on the ole telly this AM....

Just a little interactive on the spill, It gives a perspective on the size.

With the center over Jackson it strecthes nearly to Forest City AR to the southwest and darn near to Bowling Green KY to the northeast.

If this was already posted I apologize I did not go back and read all of the thread since I last looked in, I did look at the past few pages and while this post has no real meaning it is at least a little more back on topic than some of the posts.

My opinion is that BP should be paying for this clean up but should be paying someone else with the same knowledge to do it rather than being in charge of all of it themselves. To me it is akin to having the fox watching the hen house. But that is just my opinion and I wont argue it with any one else's.

I do love my seafood and would hate to think our Gulf Coast and fishing areas were ruined forever over this. I really hope they find a way to get it stopped and clean it up before that happens. Heck it may be too late already. I am not smart enough to know for sure.

IfItWasMyHome.com - Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I think they should, also. They have said they were

responsible and will be dealing with this for a long time.

If the government would like to play punisher, that's

one area they could be doing something productive:

getting a cleanup organized with other companies or

Corp of Engineers and Coast Guard. I like that seafood,

too.

[Guest Straight Shooter]

To 6.8 AR-

My profesional/educational/intellectual level is not up to par with yourself and GOOROO. He said so.

So GOOROO say I shouldnt talk no mo. Must listen to El Rushbo for wisdom, so I can be smart like you and GOOROO.

[mikegideon]

To 6.8 AR-

My profesional/educational/intellectual level is not up to par with yourself and GOOROO. He said so.

So GOOROO say I shouldnt talk no mo. Must listen to El Rushbo for wisdom, so I can be smart like you and GOOROO.

El Rushbo is a douchebag

[Guest Straight Shooter]

NO NO mikegideon!!

El Rushbo, and his minions here, say that the BP spill is NOT BP's fault, that the ocean will "heal itself", AND....here is the good part....ALL those jobs, and ways of life now lost for many many years? GUESS WHAT....THEY WERENT ENTITLED TO THEM ANYWAY!!! Yes mikegideon, that is what El Rushbo's minions here said right in this very thread. All the jobs, destroyed, those guys are not entitled to them anyway. "Jobs have to be earned" or something like that.

I dont understand it as of yet, but Im tuning in to El Rushbo bright n early Monday morning, so's I can learn how to properly think on this.

SO glad to know, that the ocean will "heal itself" too. Man I was worried this could go on for awhile, seeing as though the cap aint working too good now, but El Rushbo says shouldnt be long now,and you wont even be able to tell it. Why, the very FIRST post in this thread, says that" Ecologically, you wont even be able to tell it in a YEAR from now".

So, a year is all we got to wait. ONE year. Then, all the fishermen will be back to hauling in tons & tons o' fish, shrimp, crawdads, oysters, ect., just like before the spill.

I really messed up tho, I mistakenly bet ALL my guns, against anyone elses guns, that we WOULD still be able to tell in a year. BOY, WAS I DUMB! Oh, well, glad nobody took me up on it!!! That was before El Rushbo & his minions here got my mind right tho.

Im wondering tho...do El Rushbo's minions here, have jobs THEIR not entitled to?

And, if it were THEIR fishing boat, or hotel, or livelihood in jeopardy, from someone elses negligence or "accident", would they still feel the same?

HMMM, gotta ask El Rushbo this, to get the proper answer.

[Rightwinger]

Did you get dropped on your head when young? Your the only one spouting anything "Rush". You also sound like a 5 year old. That's standard practice when you can't intelligently join in debate. So noted.

I worry about my job everyday. My customer is Chrysler. Recall that they filed bankruptcy last year? I didn't wait for someone to tell me what to do. I didn't wait for the gubment to provide anything to me. I didn't have to listen to any talking head to advise me what should be done for my welfare. I had the resume updated, feelers out in many locations and was prepared to move to maintain employement. ME not anyone else. It was not my fault that Chrysler was failing. It was not my fault that layoffs were coming. It was my responsibility to take care of me and my family. Period.

If there was a liberal talking head that could maintain a viable radio or TV show, I would probably stoop to your level for a moment, but since they can't back up anything they would talk about with facts or cogent thought, there isn't one. I have no idea what Rush has said about this, I work for a living. From your vitriolic statements, you don't listen to him either. Reach down deep and see if you can think clearly about this situation for 2 minutes and come to a logical view point. Your talking out your arse right now.

No one here has said anything in the context of how your trying to deliver it.

I work in Logistics and I have a plan. What do you do??

(oh yeah, did you get all your stuff moved yet there sport? I'll still take your car off your hands so you won't be tempted to put anything BP in it as well. I don't want to pay for it though, just wouldn't be right for you to profit from the transaction)

[Guest Straight Shooter]

Ok Rightwinger, your on.

First off, Ill voice my opinion any damn way I please, if it pisses you off, all the better in my book.

Yes, the FIRST post in this thread, said in A YEAR from now, you wouldnt be able to tell this happened. Do YOU agree with that statement?

I, myself, have ALWAYS been employed, and always will. I have left jobs, and even been fired from one, was working again the following week. But, I forget who posted this, for someone on here to say no one is entitled to a job...that doesnt make common sense. Not entitled, as in a right enumerated in the Constitution, but anyone ready willing and able to work should be "entitled to a job. In the specific case of the fishermen who have lost jobs due to the spill...are THEY entitled to either a job doing clean up, and or compensation for lost wages?Answer that big britches.

I dare you to go down there spouting some of the pure crap your spweing, youd be the next thing covered in oil, theyd be cleaning you next to the pelicans.

AND YOU ARE DEAD WRONG when you say Ive taken things "out of context".

YOU need to go back and re-read some of whats been posted here, I already know.

I tell you this ole boy, Id love to show you the level of my intelligence. You would be surprised. If you dont like what I post...DONT F-ING READ IT. I care less what you, or the other EL Rushbo minions on think. Im glad you work in "Logistics"...that clearly makes you superior to all here..you and GOOROO.

How about you make a plan to shove your comment up YOUR "arse", and if dont like what I post, again, skip over it.

You, and the other minions here, are dead wrong about this spill. It IS BP's fault, they ARE responsible, and they will pay. Hopefully to the point they wont exist anymore. It IS the fault of BP that thousands of people are out of work due to BP, and that theyve all lost jobs that..YES..THEY WERE ENTITLED TO. PLEASE PLEASE Mr. Logistics.. go down there and tell them some of the crap youve said here. I hope you have a "plan" for pulling your ass out the swamp.

Edited June 6, 2010 by Straight Shooter

[Rightwinger]

I never made any statements to support the original post that you couldn't tell in a year. I think you will be able to.

The thread was debating that issue till you stepped in and started your diatribe on how you were going to boycott everything BP. We calmly told you that was an ill informed opinion because you were trying to damage people who had nothing to do with any of this other than to have the name on their shops sign. You want to protect jobs in Louisiana by trying to damage them here...nice logical conclusion!

No one took you up on your "bet" as it's a fools bet. What we did state was that until the exact and actual causes are determined, there should be no rush to judgment. People are being effected by this just as they are auto accidents, economic downturns and bad planning in their individual lifes.

Another did state you are not entitled to a job and it's a true statement. Show me your contract with the US, State of Tennessee, what ever county your in that says you are entitled to X job ! What you are entitled to is the right to pursue a job. Its up to you. He never said those that are having their jobs effected by this tragedy did not have recourse, they do, in a court of law or by what ever process comes AFTER this runs it course. We do not know why or how this happened! If it's determined that there was an undersea quake or an act of sabotage, is BP held to the same accountability that they would be if it's determined a drunken worker turned the wrong valve? They will suffer as will all those employed by them for one individuals misdeed. What if they prove that all safety policies were followed to the letter but it was a weak valve on the blow out preventer that failed. BP purchased that from someone right? Still their fault. We do not know but its a big company with lots of money so they should pay pay pay! Typical thinking in America today. There's a tragedy but it must be someone with money that caused it.

You can say anything you want. You have. It's sad, but you have the right to say it, just as I am. I'm just not going to rush to judgment like you. I'll pull for the men and women trying to get it shut down and hope that the truth can be determined and brought forth for us all to know. Then, if negligence is determined, go after them with all the legal means possible. Let those with damages bring forth the proof and let the guilty write the checks.

[Rightwinger]

I tell you this ole boy, Id love to show you the level of my intelligence. You would be surprised. If you dont like what I post...DONT F-ING READ IT. I care less what you, or the other EL Rushbo minions on think. Im glad you work in "Logistics"...that clearly makes you superior to all here..you and GOOROO

I made my statement that I work in Logistics to give you a little understanding of the magnitude of what is going on there. I also showed openly my background as basis for my conclusions. You still haven't told us what you do so we can form the same opinions.

That's okay. Your already removing all doubt. Carry on.

[G27]

Don't you think that leak, their investment and the damage to the gulf are tied together? All this armchair quarterbacking about the "Evil" BP is not

a good sign. If some of you are so knowledgeable about undersea oil well

technology, I'm sure people like willis68 appreciates your input. Otherwise,

let the government take it over like GM. I'm sure they will do a better job of it. They always do, don't they? They didn't even offer assistance. But they did send a bill.

Oh, please, enough of the straw man sarcasm - I simply said it appears they may be more interested in their investment than killing it off in orde to stop the leak.

Evil BP? Armchair QBing?

You must have me confused with someone else...

[USMCJG]

I never made any statements to support the original post that you couldn't tell in a year. I think you will be able to.

The thread was debating that issue till you stepped in and started your diatribe on how you were going to boycott everything BP. We calmly told you that was an ill informed opinion because you were trying to damage people who had nothing to do with any of this other than to have the name on their shops sign. You want to protect jobs in Louisiana by trying to damage them here...nice logical conclusion!

No one took you up on your "bet" as it's a fools bet. What we did state was that until the exact and actual causes are determined, there should be no rush to judgment. People are being effected by this just as they are auto accidents, economic downturns and bad planning in their individual lifes.

Another did state you are not entitled to a job and it's a true statement. Show me your contract with the US, State of Tennessee, what ever county your in that says you are entitled to X job ! What you are entitled to is the right to pursue a job. Its up to you. He never said those that are having their jobs effected by this tragedy did not have recourse, they do, in a court of law or by what ever process comes AFTER this runs it course. We do not know why or how this happened! If it's determined that there was an undersea quake or an act of sabotage, is BP held to the same accountability that they would be if it's determined a drunken worker turned the wrong valve? They will suffer as will all those employed by them for one individuals misdeed. What if they prove that all safety policies were followed to the letter but it was a weak valve on the blow out preventer that failed. BP purchased that from someone right? Still their fault. We do not know but its a big company with lots of money so they should pay pay pay! Typical thinking in America today. There's a tragedy but it must be someone with money that caused it.

You can say anything you want. You have. It's sad, but you have the right to say it, just as I am. I'm just not going to rush to judgment like you. I'll pull for the men and women trying to get it shut down and hope that the truth can be determined and brought forth for us all to know. Then, if negligence is determined, go after them with all the legal means possible. Let those with damages bring forth the proof and let the guilty write the checks.

[JeffsSig]

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Disaster - If you was there.

[Guest Straight Shooter]

Hey USMCJG-

I LOVE the clapping thing...who is that, Orsen Wells?

Way cool.

[Oh Shoot]

Hey USMCJG-

I LOVE the clapping thing...who is that, Orsen Wells?

Way cool.

Citizen Kane.

After his protege/squeeze's first (bad) opera performance.

He had to start the applause rolling 'cause nobody else would.

- OS

[Guest Straight Shooter]

Thanks OS!

[Rightwinger]

Eric Postpischil's Molasses Disaster Pages

Disaster - If you was there.

What's the dispersant for a molasses spill? Biscuits?

Bronker could have saved a few of them I think!

[Guest Straight Shooter]

BP's STERLING REPUTATION-

Found these 3 in five minutes of looking. Lord knows what else is out there.

1.1998- BP PLEAD GUILTY to felony dumping of hazardous material on Alaska's North Slope. Paid $22 MILLION in criminal and civil fines.

2. 2007-BP PLEAD GUILTY to felony violation of Clean Air Act. Paid a $50 MILLION fine AFTER a 2005 explosion at a Texas refinery KILLED 15 & INJURED 170.

3.2007- BP PLEAD GUILTY to misdemeaner Clean Water Act violations for a SPILL on Alaska's North Slope. Paid a $12 MILLION fine.

BUT....Im SURE they are innocent THIS TIME. El Rushbo and his minions here said so.

[G27]

What's the dispersant for a molasses spill? Biscuits?

Bronker could have saved a few of them I think!

Yah, but I would like to help with that!

Mmmmm, biscuits and molasses...

[mikegideon]

http://www.businessinsider.com/bp-has-been-fined-by-osha-760-times-has-an-awful-track-record-for-safety-2010-6

BP's Horrible Safety Record: It's Got 760 OSHA Fines, Exxon Has Just 1

Vince Veneziani | Jun. 2, 2010, 2:07 PM | 4,208 | 20

Want to hear something scary? BP (BP) has been fined by OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) 760 times. By contrast, oil giant ExxonMobil (XOM) has been fined only once.

As The Stock Masters say: How is BP even allowed to operate?

Let's take a look back at BP's horrid track record, courtesy of ABC News:

• Back in 2007, a BP pipeline spilled 200,000 gallons of crude into the Alaskan wilderness. They got hit with $16 million in fines.
  
• "The Justice Department required the company to pay approximately $353 million as part of an agreement to defer prosecution on charges that the company conspired to manipulate the propane gas market."
  
• In two separate disasters prior to Deepwater Horizon, 30 BP workers were killed and more than 200 have been seriously injured.
  
• "According to the Center for Public Integrity, in the last three years, BP refineries in Ohio and Texas have accounted for 97 percent of the "egregious, willful" violations handed out by OSHA"
  
• OSHA statistics show BP ran up 760 "egregious, willful" safety violations, while Sunoco and Conoco-Phillips each had eight, Citgo had two and Exxon had one comparable citation.
  

After examining the facts, we're inclined to agree that BP probably shouldn't be operating here in the U.S. considering its horrific safety record.

Read more: BP's Horrible Safety Record: It's Got 760 OSHA Fines, Exxon Has Just 1

[Guest Straight Shooter]

I hope my facts and mikegideons facts dont confuse people.

After reading mikes post...Im STILL sure El Rushbo and his minions here are right...somehow.

[Rightwinger]

BP's STERLING REPUTATION-

Found these 3 in five minutes of looking. Lord knows what else is out there.

1.1998- BP PLEAD GUILTY to felony dumping of hazardous material on Alaska's North Slope. Paid $22 MILLION in criminal and civil fines.

2. 2007-BP PLEAD GUILTY to felony violation of Clean Air Act. Paid a $50 MILLION fine AFTER a 2005 explosion at a Texas refinery KILLED 15 & INJURED 170.

3.2007- BP PLEAD GUILTY to misdemeaner Clean Water Act violations for a SPILL on Alaska's North Slope. Paid a $12 MILLION fine.

BUT....Im SURE they are innocent THIS TIME. El Rushbo and his minions here said so.

They do have a poor record. I don't recall anyone saying they were pristine as new fallen snow, but again, your not interested in debate anymore. Your more interested in some inane name calling and presenting details not part of the original debate or your entry into it.

What does their record have to do with what they should pay in this instance? Are they on double secret probation now? That's for a judge to decide as a mitigating or enhancing issue based on the total facts and merit of the case?

You have already stated you hope they are forced to pay until they are eliminated as a business entity. Wonder what they will be worth once months of bad press and public opinion's like yours are allowed to fester and fully tank what's left of their stock? That means only their assets and cash on hand at the end of this will be available for those who do have claims against them. If claims exceed available funds, guess what, a judge will have no choice but to limit what can be handed out so as to compensate in some way all who are found to have a case. If the government gets their piece of the pie first, then you start seeing the checks get cut down to laughable portions. Oh the hue and cry that will come then...but how do you get cash from a dead giant?

If the government backs off of their claims for compensation, then the tax payers pay for their portion.

I also hope that I'll never get in a situation where I'm tried and convicted before I see the court room by folks like you. I prefer to remember a few of these small points:

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

BP had to incorporate in the US to conduct business so they are subject to our laws.

You want BP to pay and pay in full? Then they have to remain a business entity generating revenue! Your method of slash and burn will not lead to them being able to handle this bill if they are found fully culpable and no other parties are considered.

So if your upset that I and others prefer to wait for the rest of the facts to come out about this incident AND that BP try to meet some of the benchmarks they have stated they will do (compensation and full cleanup) you'll just have to remain upset.

[mikegideon]

RW,

AFIK, there are specific laws that cover spills (the act in the '90's). So, BP isn't disputing their responsibilty to cover lost income and things like that. It DOES appear that they're dragging their feet. That isn't going to go over very well, since the entire Gulf Coast was screwed by the insurace companies... most folks more than once. BP is starting to appear to be using the same tactics as them.

[Rightwinger]

How do you suggest that they start paying? Just cut the checks to folks based on the phone book? Peter Zacharia is gonna be pissed! How much should it be? 2K, 4K?

True claims of damages would need to be documented. That's generally the province of the judicial system. That's what I have been saying all along! Lets get it stopped, get the cleanup in full gear and let BP pay for all that as they say they will and get the ball running for a series of claims centers, which I believe should definitely not be run by BP or the US government as they are both players or litigants and have it ready to go once the facts are determined.

This should cut down on fraud from the riff raff that always shows up when big money is in play and protect those that will have claims against those at fault.