SB 3012 Letter to the Editor and my rebuttal

[Worriedman]

From earlier in the week "Letter to the Editor" printed in the Jackson Sun by a Jeffrey P Boyd:

Bredesen right to veto 'guns in bars' bill | jacksonsun.com | The Jackson Sun

Tennesseans should be proud. We have a Democratic governor who displays more common sense than Republican Senate Speaker, Ron Ramsey.

Our governor learned in a firearms safety course that "guns and alcohol don't mix." I can't imagine why this issue was up for vote in the Tennessee Legislature in the first place. When I first heard about this, I was aghast that such a bill would be considered in Tennessee. It gives the impression that Tennessee is a backward place where issues are settled with firearms. We need to show that Tennessee is a safe, civilized and forward-thinking place instead of a laughing stock where we take our guns into bars. This was illegal even in the wild west.

The people who fear that Democrats are going to take their guns away are mistaken. Democrats support the right to bear arms. This right was put into place by the founding fathers so people could protect their own home, hearth and loved ones. It was certainly not intended as Ron Ramsey seems to think. We already don't trust intoxicated people to drive, so why would we start arming them? It only takes one drink, and a few cross words, for something tragic to happen. I'm disappointed the legislature had to waste time passing and re-passing this bill. But I'm proud of Gov. Phil Bredesen for having the common sense to exercise his veto power.

Jeffrey P. Boyd

Jackson

My rebuttal in today's paper:

Letter writer Boyd not dealing with facts | jacksonsun.com | The Jackson Sun

Letter writer Boyd not dealing with facts

May 23, 2010

Jeffrey Boyd's letter praising Gov. Bredesen's recent veto of SB 3012, which allows handgun carry permit holders the ability to be armed in establishments that serve alcohol, is full of misconceptions. Some facts are warranted.

First, only those who have made the effort to obtain an HCP are legally allowed to carry a weapon inside an establishment that serves alcohol. Those individuals have passed an FBI and local background check, taken a class that includes the points of law relative to the use of a weapon and are taught the restrictions placed upon them by the state, which includes the statute that at no time can the permit holder consume or be under the influence of alcohol and be in possession of a weapon. Penalties for violation include a $2,500 fine, 11 months, 29 days in jail and the loss of the permit. The HCP holder can, by state law, drink and drive; they cannot drink and carry a handgun. SB 3012 adds an additional $500 fine for consuming in an establishment that serves alcohol.

Ask Bredesen about the document he signed four years ago promising to affix his signature to such a bill if it crossed his desk, as he took the $2,500 campaign donation from the NRA for his last race for Governor.

Boyd's statement about arming "intoxicated people" is disingenuous at best, and possibly intentionally offered to conceal the truth, hoping to substitute "feeling" for facts, as the bill specifically precludes possession while consuming or being under the influence of alcohol.

Forty two other States in the U.S. allow their permit holders to possess their weapons in establishments that serve alcohol, if the holder is not consuming. Every contiguous state to Tennessee allows it. This bill simply brings Tennessee in line with the majority of our sister states.

[LagerHead]

Good rebuttal. I'm surprised it was printed.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Excellent letter! Very brief and to the point, so any sap could understand.

[Guest TnRebel]

[oldogy]

Good job, accurate and to the point. Thanks for taking the time to present the facts to the media.

oldogy

[Volzfan]

Good reply Worriedman!

Excellent letter! Very brief and to the point, so any sap could understand.

That's giving the libtards an awful lot of credit.

[Trekbike]

Excellent response.

[Guest SUNTZU]

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Good reply Worriedman!

That's giving the libtards an awful lot of credit.

Well, after all, some of them did go to Hah vahd:D

[Mike.357]

Mike.357 approves

[Guest Tucker13]

Nice rebuttal except for this:

Every contiguous state to Tennessee allows it.

Did NC change their laws?

[Worriedman]

Nice rebuttal except for this:

Did NC change their laws?

No they have not, They do preclude Concealed carry where alcohol is and served for on site consumption.

In my search parameters, I did make a mistake on including North Carolina, as I read the State Law precluding consumption incorrectly:

§ 14-269.3. Carrying weapons into assemblies and establishments where alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry any gun, rifle, or pistol into any assembly where a fee has been charged for admission thereto, or into any establishment in which alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

(This section shall not apply to the following:

(1) A person exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269;

(2) The owner or lessee of the premises or business establishment;

(3) A person participating in the event, if he is carrying a gun, rifle, or pistol with the permission of the owner, lessee, or person or organization sponsoring the event; and

(4) A person registered or hired as a security guard by the owner, lessee, or person or organization sponsoring the event. (1977, c. 1016, s. 1; 1981, c. 412, s. 4, c. 747, s. 66; 1993, c. 539, s. 165; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14©.)

It fell into the parameters I was searching for permission by owner or lessee. Clearly it does not meet muster.

I regret the error.

[Guest Tucker13]

No they have not, They do preclude Concealed carry where alcohol is and served for on site consumption.

In my search parameters, I did make a mistake on including North Carolina, as I read the State Law precluding consumption incorrectly:

It fell into the parameters I was searching for permission by owner or lessee. Clearly it does not meet muster.

I regret the error.

I wasn't trying to nitpic. Gun grabbers jump at the first mistake and dwell on it. They have no logical argument so they focus on minor stuff, like spelling. They have strawman arguments down to a science.

[Worriedman]

No problem there, I jumped a little too far, I have written to the paper to admit the error.

I did a Project in NC, and had permission from the Owner to carry in his restaurant, it does not mean HCP holders can as a general rule do so though.

I had my number right though, it is 42 states, (I just messed up on stating ALL the contiguous States). What I find interesting is that California and New York State allow CCW carry in Restaurants, if you can get the permit!

[Guest Benelli Nova Guy]

Worded very well. You actually make us not look like a bunch of knuckle draggers lol

[Guest tlondon]

nice letter. thanks for sharing

[Guest Overtaker]

From earlier in the week "Letter to the Editor" printed in the Jackson Sun by a Jeffrey P Boyd:

Bredesen right to veto 'guns in bars' bill | jacksonsun.com | The Jackson Sun

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Democrats support the right to bear arms.

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[Guest SUNTZU]

+ a three wolf moon shirt.