Say Hello to the NY Car Bomber

[MCSCOTT]

be glad he is a gutless piece of pooh. If he wanted i am sure he could have pulled off a suicide bombing a lot easier.

I am of the opinion that there is no doubt he is guilty, beat whatever info out of him you can then just put him down.

I agree. I really don't want to even hear about this guy's "rights" to a fair trial, or humane treatment . He fully intended to kill Americans, so it should be safe to say that he had NO rights. He's been caught, all the evidence is in place, and he's admitted to doing it. From what I've heard on the news they've already gotten alot of information out of him, so I'm now wondering why he hasn't already been executed. Those same people that he tried to kill, are having to pay for 3 meals a day for him as we speak.

[mikegideon]

I agree. I really don't want to even hear about this guy's "rights" to a fair trial, or humane treatment . He fully intended to kill Americans, so it should be safe to say that he had NO rights. He's been caught, all the evidence is in place, and he's admitted to doing it. From what I've heard on the news they've already gotten alot of information out of him, so I'm now wondering why he hasn't already been executed. Those same people that he tried to kill, are having to pay for 3 meals a day for him as we speak.

C'mon man, I know your pissed, but think about what you're saying. The execution of a US citizen without a trial is going down the wrong road. They'll be harsh on him... count on it.

[DMark]

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Editor's note: Fareed Zakaria is an author and foreign affairs analyst....

Anybody who didn't read Zakaria comments should do so.

After 9-11 and into 2002, Fareed Zakaria made himself available to those of us who were working on plans & operations for the early phases of the GWOT.

I got to tell you, next to Ralph Peters, Zakaria is the smartest guy that I have ever come into daily contact with. He is so smart that he could get his point across to this MTSU Liberal Arts grad.

[mikegideon]

Anybody who didn't read Zakaria comments should do so.

After 9-11 and into 2002, Fareed Zakaria made himself available to those of us who were working on plans & operations for the early phases of the GWOT.

I got to tell you, next to Ralph Peters, Zakaria is the smartest guy that I have ever come into daily contact with. He is so smart that he could get his point across to this MTSU Liberal Arts grad.

Yep, and there was a thread last week calling him Obama's Muslim buddy, because Obama got caught on film with one of Fareed's books in his hand.

[Mike.357]

C'mon man, I know your pissed, but think about what you're saying. The execution of a US citizen without a trial is going down the wrong road. They'll be harsh on him... count on it.

So try the guy. What should that take? A few hours? A day?

Sentence him and get on with it.

Oh no, this will take years.

Bunch of crap that a 4 cent .22 ( because I read somewhere on the internet more people have been killed by .22's)

can easily take care of.

[DMark]

Yep, and there was a thread last week calling him Obama's Muslim buddy, because Obama got caught on film with one of Fareed's books in his hand.

Well...., maybe Obama wanted to know why Zakaria is so respected by many in the military.

What I do know is this - - - At a very important period of time, Zakaria gave to this country his time and knowledge free-of-charge.

[MCSCOTT]

C'mon man, I know your pissed, but think about what you're saying. The execution of a US citizen without a trial is going down the wrong road. They'll be harsh on him... count on it.

I don't see how serving justice is going down the wrong road. You have more knowledge on alot of issues than I have, so you tell me, when you know someone is guilty and have proof and an admission of guilt, what exactly is the point of spending tax dollars to have a trial? What in your opinion do you think they could possibly prove that should spare him from execution? Are you saying you think maybe he didn't intend to kill innocent people by parking a car bomb where he did?

[mikegideon]

I don't see how serving justice is going down the wrong road. You have more knowledge on alot of issues than I have, so you tell me, when you know someone is guilty and have proof and an admission of guilt, what exactly is the point of spending tax dollars to have a trial? What in your opinion do you think they could possibly prove that should spare him from execution? Are you saying you think maybe he didn't intend to kill innocent people by parking a car bomb where he did?

Constitution of the United States - Official

[mikegideon]

Well...., maybe Obama wanted to know why Zakaria is so respected by many in the military.

What I do know is this - - - At a very important period of time, Zakaria gave to this country his time and knowledge free-of-charge.

Don't get me wrong. Wasn't my thread. I'm a Zakaria fan.

[MCSCOTT]

Constitution of the United States - Official

Shouldn't come into play in an act of terrorism against the US, and in all honesty my opinion of those that think terrorists should be allowed to hide behind it is about as low as an opinion could get.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I understand the emotion, MCSCOTT, but that would make us like them,

A funny thing is going on with the politicians saying the police and the FBI have thwarted this attempted car bombing. Amazing! It was ignited and failed. I wonder how they would have spun it if it went off?

[mikegideon]

Shouldn't come into play in an act of terrorism against the US, and in all honesty my opinion of those that think terrorists should be allowed to hide behind it is about as low as an opinion could get.

This guy didn't get grabbed in Iraq. Since he's a US citizen, he's more of an incompetent Timothy McVey. McVey got a trial, and then they killed him.

Understand... I would shoot the guy myself if they would let me. That's not the point. The Constitution can't just be there when it's convenient. The day we throw it out is the day we're all in deep yogurt. Or, maybe the patriot act already did that, and I'm just talking outa my butt.

[MCSCOTT]

A funny thing is going on with the politicians saying the police and the FBI have thwarted this attempted car bombing. Amazing! It was ignited and failed. I wonder how they would have spun it if it went off?

That's what I was telling my boss this morning. They're making it out like they caught the thing before it went off, when what really happend was they got lucky and it failed.

And yes emotion is a big part of it, and don't get me wrong Mike I know that our differences are simply what we base our opinion on. Yours is based on what WILL happen, where I base mine on what SHOULD happen. He's already been proven guilty with the evidence against him, and also his admission of guilt. Personally I think that should be trial enough. The part that gets my emotions involved is the part where people like this can use our Constitution against us.

[mikegideon]

That's what I was telling my boss this morning. They're making it out like they caught the thing before it went off, when what really happend was they got lucky and it failed.

And yes emotion is a big part of it, and don't get me wrong Mike I know that our differences are simply what we base our opinion on. Yours is based on what WILL happen, where I base mine on what SHOULD happen. He's already been proven guilty with the evidence against him, and also his admission of guilt. Personally I think that should be trial enough. The part that gets my emotions involved is the part where people like this can use our Constitution against us.

We can't lynch the guy. You never know when those little formalities may save your bacon, especially carrying a hogleg around town

[MCSCOTT]

On the citizenship note as well, there was talk earlier of stripping him of his citizenship. My initial take on that was that it would be a waste of time, but after this kind of discussion maybe stripping him of his citizenship would be the best thing they could do starting out. With this it would mean he could no longer hide behind the Constitution, and in such would speed up the process. Actually stripping him of his citizenship would be exactly what I've been arguing that they should do in such situations, but I still don't think the process should take as long as it will.

[mikegideon]

I understand the emotion, MCSCOTT, but that would make us like them,

A funny thing is going on with the politicians saying the police and the FBI have thwarted this attempted car bombing. Amazing! It was ignited and failed. I wonder how they would have spun it if it went off?

The last two were duds. Looks like their talent pool is getting thin.

[mikegideon]

On the citizenship note as well, there was talk earlier of stripping him of his citizenship. My initial take on that was that it would be a waste of time, but after this kind of discussion maybe stripping him of his citizenship would be the best thing they could do starting out. With this it would mean he could no longer hide behind the Constitution, and in such would speed up the process. Actually stripping him of his citizenship would be exactly what I've been arguing that they should do in such situations, but I still don't think the process should take as long as it will.

Maybe we can sent him back to pakistan, and they'll shoot his ass. I'm down with that

And BTW... they ain't gonna lynch any aliens either.

Edited May 5, 2010 by mikegideon

[Guest 6.8 AR]

The panty bomber and now this.

It was kind of funny the way Susan Collins ®, Eric Holder (D) and Joe Lieberman (I) hailed the success of "thwarting the bomber" when the bomb just failed to go off. It was a subtle example of poor political spin. Even Sheppard Smith said "How about telling us the truth, we can handle it". Nobody thwarted anything. The guy was just a lousy bomb maker. Times Square and everyone there was very lucky the bomb fizzled.

Law enforcement did a great job after the fact, but it was the bomber's lack of expertise that kept anyone from injury. It is what it is. They were lucky. Wait until the next time.

I hope the talent pool gets drained!

[Guest Glock23ForMe]

So try the guy. What should that take? A few hours? A day?

Sentence him and get on with it.

Oh no, this will take years.

Bunch of crap that a 4 cent .22 ( because I read somewhere on the internet more people have been killed by .22's)

can easily take care of.

Personally, I believe that any person that is willing to kill numerous American's in an act of Terrorism, despite their citizenship, should be put to death. Why waste taxpayer's money when this man was openly willing to kill some in an act of Terrorism? Honestly, yes, he is an American citizen, but why did he get that? Did he get it because he was proud of the Red, White and Blue and because he believed in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?? Or did he get it because his Visa was going to expire and he needed to stay here until his plan could be completed? No one knows and he sure as hell isn't going to tell us.

If it were me... I would have pulled him off that plane, put his ass on the tarmac, called EVERY NEWS CAMERA IN THE CITY TO COME WATCH, got him on his knees, and put his brains on pavement, right then and there. Done. $1.50 down the tube, he doesn't feel any pain, and post those videos on every news channel and youtube so the entire world can watch... On the bottom of the video scroll this text: "If you are willing to kill American citizens in an act of Terrorism, this is what will happen."

Why should he be treated fairly when OUR TROOPS, SOMEONE'S SON, DAUGHTER, MOTHER, FATHER, BROTHER, SISTER, BEST FRIEND, HUSBAND, WIFE, ETC is FORCED to sit in front of a video camera and tell their family and children, "Goodbye and I love you" right before they are shot in the head and then decapitated on video? WHY SHOULD WE TREAT THEM ANY DIFFERENT?!?! Why are they worthy of fair treatment when they are doing this to OUR OWN FAMILIES? USA, stop playing nice neighbor and get serious with these bastards....

IMHO...

[mikegideon]

Because we're not them.

[Guest Glock23ForMe]

Well... We've the USA has had the same policy on this area since 9/11 and it still isn't working, obviously... So.. Time to shake things up a bit.... When heads roll... Bull:poop: stops.

[mikegideon]

Ain't gonna happen. I want the POS dead as much as anybody.

[strickj]

Because we're not them.

Exactly!

If we started doing the things in return that are done to us, it makes us no better then those we are fighting.

Well... We've the USA has had the same policy on this area since 9/11 and it still isn't working, obviously... So.. Time to shake things up a bit.... When heads roll... Bull:poop: stops.

No it doesn't.

We do nothing, attacks will worsen because they can get away with it.

We "make heads roll", the attacks will worsen in retaliation.

[Guest drv2fst]

1) He is a US citizen and should be treated with the rights afforded as such. Meaning: try him, convict him, and kill him ASAP. Attempting to kill ???? people with a car bomb should get you executed promptly (after trial) whether or not you are a citizen.

2) Who cares what his religion is? Who cares what his motivations were? Who cares if he is a "terrorist" or just a run of the mill nutjob? He admitted to attempting to murder many innocent people, so try him and put him down.

3) Funny that gun banners are making news about him having a gun. He had a BOMB in his car (you liberal morons), the GUN was not relevant.

CLEARLY, we should only allow LEO and Military to purchase Pathfinders, Propane, Fertilizer, Clocks, and Fireworks.

By the way, KILLING people with a car bomb is illegal in most states. How could he do that if it is against the law? Surely laws prevent crime, right? Surely if we have laws against bad things those bad things will never happen again.

[MCSCOTT]

1)

CLEARLY, we should only allow LEO and Military to purchase Pathfinders, Propane, Fertilizer, Clocks, and Fireworks..

I was thinking about all that yesterday, and it's the kind of thing that really bothers me with something like this going to trial. For starters he didn't kill anyone. Also, there's not anything wrong with having propane tanks, I have some that are bigger than the ones he had. I also get those tanks filled at the farm supply place here, where I could also legally buy fertilizer. On top of that, I have some wires running to stereo equipment in my truck that could short out at some point, and as far as I know having things like that isn't against any laws either, nor is owning a clock and having it in the truck because most vehicles have a clock of some sort from the factory. If he hadn't confessed to what his intentions were, a decent lawyer would try to argue all of that in order to get him out. Even though I'm sure our justice system works better than that, but there would be a slight possibility for someone like this to simply have to pay a parking ticket for leaving the vehicle where he did. Like I say though, we all know that wont happen in this case, I just hate the fact that our tax dollars could possibly go toward a trial where these facts could be argued.

Mike, I agree with your argument that as long as he is a citizen he has the right to fair trial, and like I said this is why we should start out by stripping him of his citizenship. What I can't understand is how you and some of the others that posted think that by executing a terrorist, we are no better than they are. How exactly would executing someone who attempted to kill multiple amounts of innocent people make us anything like they are?