Stone River Liquors/Total Beverage

[ffr1910]

Went there yesterday open carrying to get some stuff for the holidays. Look as I go in to make sure it is not posted and saw nothing. AFTER I pay (of course) the clerk raises up a piece of paper on a bulleting board to expose a sign that said something to the effect of, "it is illegal to carry weapons where alcohol is sold". I told him that was not the law, after he said it was. I then asked him that since it was not the law, was it their store policy. He said he would just feel more comfortable if I did not have a gun. Without getting into a full on education session, I advised him that my safety was my paramount concern and I would not return. I realize if I had not been OCing this would not have come up. Just wanted to pass along in case anyone else might be headed there. Happy Holidays,

Bill

[Guest bkelm18]

I've noticed many liquor stores are not up to date on the state's carry laws.

[Mike.357]

How in the world are you or anyone else supposed to see a hidden sign, even if the wording was correct. I am assuming he went ahead and made the sale to you.

I am in a lot of liquor stores in the course of a normal week. I rarely see signs saying no guns are allowed. Of course a lot of them I am using a back door so the bans would not apply to me if I was carrying.

[TGO David]

Concealed means concealed means concealed means concealed. Life is so much simpler when you don't have to educate dumb asses!

[Guest GT_Rat]

Preach it brother Tungsten. You'll find out I'm carrying when I start poking holes in you for threatening my or my family/friends life.

[Fallguy]

When someone makes a post about a certain situation and mentions they were carrying openly, does it ALWAYS have to start the OC vs CC debate?

[shaftbass]

Concealed means concealed means concealed means concealed. Life is so much simpler when you don't have to educate dumb asses!

I hear you. OC is teh gay.

[Fallguy]

When someone makes a post about a certain situation and mentions they were carrying openly, does it ALWAYS have to start the OC vs CC debate?

Guess not......

[shaftbass]

When someone makes a post about a certain situation and mentions they were carrying openly, does it ALWAYS have to start the OC vs CC debate?

When the whole reason they are posting the event is because it happened due to the fact that they were carrying openly, of course it's going to start that discussion again.

[Fallguy]

To me the fact that the store owner doesn't know the law and is anti-carry in his store is more important to me.

[Guest jcoyle6]

I help manage a (well in my area we call it a wine shop) package store but I am an avid fan of those who carry in my shop. . . . . . . . . ahh sheeple

[dariks]

He's not anti enough that he won't make the sale first though.

[ZenDog]

On another point relevant to this incident (and to everyone's safety)- I heard that 85% of gunshot victims survive, but only 65% of stabbing victims survive.

I imagine we're all familiar with that Tueller Drill (the 21 foot rule). Getting too close to anyone with a knife, even a kitchen knife, can get you killed, even if you are QuickDraw McGraw. Stabbing can happen much faster than most imagine.

I think I'd just let the purse snatcher go- the only way I can know he isn't armed is if he is naked (and then there's the cavity search, but we won't go there!). No purse is worth risking my life over.

[molonlabetn]

"If it's store policy, then I suppose you'd rather not have my business. Please void the transaction and return my money, I won't be buying these..."

[TGO David]

To me the fact that the store owner doesn't know the law and is anti-carry in his store is more important to me.

I agree. But I'd rather just point the store owner to a source of current statutes rather than try to educate an employee on the spot while he or she is bitching me out because I'm exercising my legal right to carry a firearm for my own protection.

Have you ever really watched a news cast? Have you not noticed how many citizens think that they know the law? "You can't do that! That there's illegal! I know my rights! Blah blah blah" and the entire time they are talking completely out of their butt. I'm not about to get into an argument over Tennessee Code Annotated with some amateur Perry Mason who's making $9/hr to sell me a case of beer. It would be an exercise in futility.

But I would carry concealed, take note of their outdated prohibition sign, go home and write a professionally articulated letter to the shop's owner and/or manager pointing out the fact that their sign IS outdated, refer them to the current TCA statutes complete with copy of text, and mail that to them as a "Concerned Customer".

[TGO David]

"If it's store policy, then I suppose you'd rather not have my business. Please void the transaction and return my money, I won't be buying these..."

My time is too valuable to complicate things by forcing myself to go buy something somewhere else just because an hourly employee doesn't know any better than what the outdated sign on the store wall tells them. The employee isn't an attorney and probably thinks that the old yellowed sign with red text is gospel. If you and I didn't know the law, we'd probably be in agreement with them.

No, while it seems noble to take your business elsewhere the reality is that the gesture probably has no effect on the bottom line of that business. The only person it hurts is you by making you take more time out of your already hectic schedule to go buy product(s) somewhere else. And chances are that somewhere else may be owned or operated by an equally anti-gun person or corporation who just hasn't made their stance public.

I don't vote with my pennies and nickels. I might vote with my dollars, but the dollars would have to be significant for me to think it was even worth my time and energy then. Because if the amount isn't significant, the business ain't gonna notice.

Concealed means concealed. What the business doesn't know doesn't hurt them.

[Mike.357]

Am I the only one who read the signage while worded wrong was not visible?

If that store was so concerned with keeping guns out of the door the sign should be posted a little more prominently.

And here is a small tip when purchasing in liquor stores. Ask for a discount before they start ringing you up, and if you know another store has a product cheaper then ask for a price match. Around here most stores will accomodate you in this manner. If they will not discount me or price match I will not go there anymore.

[Fallguy]

I help manage a (well in my area we call it a wine shop) package store but I am an avid fan of those who carry in my shop. . . . . . . . . ahh sheeple

Good deal...maybe you need some signs like these then...

"If it's store policy, then I suppose you'd rather not have my business. Please void the transaction and return my money, I won't be buying these..."

I agree. But I'd rather just point the store owner to a source of current statutes rather than try to educate an employee on the spot while he or she is bitching me out because I'm exercising my legal right to carry a firearm for my own protection.

I agree....employee not worth arguing with.

Have you not noticed how many citizens think that they know the law? "You can't do that! That there's illegal! I know my rights! Blah blah blah" and the entire time they are talking completely out of their butt.

Very true again!

But I would carry concealed, take note of their outdated prohibition sign, go home and write a professionally articulated letter to the shop's owner and/or manager pointing out the fact that their sign IS outdated, refer them to the current TCA statutes complete with copy of text, and mail that to them as a "Concerned Customer".

I pretty much always carry concealed as well, just don't mind those that carry openly, but I do agree about writing a good letter. I have a basic one saved on my computer that I can modify to a specific situation.

Am I the only one who read the signage while worded wrong was not visible?

If that store was so concerned with keeping guns out of the door the sign should be posted a little more prominently.

And here is a small tip when purchasing in liquor stores. Ask for a discount before they start ringing you up, and if you know another store has a product cheaper then ask for a price match. Around here most stores will accomodate you in this manner. If they will not discount me or price match I will not go there anymore.

The owner probably doesn't even thinks he needs a sign since he thinks it is against the law period.

I'll remember the discount thing next time.

[molonlabetn]

I would think that the hassle of having to refund a transaction would stick with the clerk, at least. I don't care so much about affecting the bottom line of the store... the owner may have had the sign out of sight for a reason, and the only doofus in the place was the clerk.

[TGO David]

If someone sells those signs, I want to know where I can order a bunch of them. I know some shop owners who I'd love to give them to.

[shaftbass]

If someone sells those signs, I want to know where I can order a bunch of them. I know some shop owners who I'd love to give them to.

Color printer + lamination from the Wal Marts.

[Guest triggertime]

You can always tell when a kid or a bubba makes a pro gun sign by the firearms that are depicted in the artwork....

[Guest TNDixieGirl]

I must be a kid or a bubbette. Give me a hint as to whats wrong with the firearm depicted on the sign. I don't see it.

[ffr1910]

I was just trying to let the TN area know about a place of business that did not have your well being at heart, I had no idea it would turn into a 3 page debate. Now I feel important. In a related experience, today I went to the La Siesta in Smyrna. Left my gun in the truck since they serve alcohol. Saw the same sign on the board behind the cashier's head. Said something like it was illegal to carry weapons where alcohol is sold or served. Where do these people get these signs....

ffr1910

[Guest jcoyle6]

signs like the Alcohol warning with the faded red border reading " that consuming alcohol while pregnant . . . . . . " Come from the TABC.