A Disaster Of Mega Proportions Brewing In Gulf

[mikegideon]

They did learn some things from Katrina. I just think it would been more appropriate to offer assistance earlier on, instead of letting this fester, and that does look very political.

I don't have anything against a criminal investigation at all, but the timing stinks. He did place a six month moratorium on offshore drilling, didn't he? You want to bet he makes it permanent?

It was before.

I've said before I would give him credit if he did something in the country's

best interest, but he doesn't appear to be looking out for the country by

letting the bureaucracy do things at a snail's pace when there are resources

available to assist in cleaning and repairing that spill. Isn't that just common

sense? I haven't been watching Fox too much, lately. Fixing my central air

unit. This house is still a bit warm. Maybe today:D Heck of a way to spend a vacation.

I have a jug of r22 if you need some. Have a manifold too.

[mikegideon]

Can you PM me some places you are looking? If its objective, I'd be glad to look at it. Anything to cut through at least some of the crap. I WILL say that as much as Obama has constantly blamed Bush for the last year and a half he deserves the call for Obama's Katrina. Having troops on the ground from Day One while he pissed and moaned about Arizona and played golf is NOT being "in charge from Day One." As much as we had to watch Bush reading a schoolbook after 9-11 and listen to bitching Obama deserves his time under the lens.

And just to head you, or anyone else, off at the pass...I'm neither Democrat or Republican. I don't remember you doing it, Mike, but I laugh at the race card. I look forward to hearing from you.

You're a much better researcher than me. You may have noticed that I am not big on bashing Bush over Katrina. I was up to my neck in that mess, to the point that the FCC was calling me, and I pissed off Haley Barbour in a pretty big way.

I'm defending the effort. I've been thru recovery efforts in large geographical areas, and had the resources of a muti-billion dollar company behind me. I had a lot more resources than I could use because of the logistics of the recovery effort.

Even John Stewart blasted Obama last night. Fact is, he committed a lot of his top people, is getting daily briefings, and is behind the effort. He's a Lawyer... do YOU want him more involved than he is? Support the effort, provide the resources, and slap somebody if they get in the way. That's HIS job, and he appears to be doing it.

My sources are simple... I listen to the people that are on the ground thru briefings and press conferences. I usually do some followup research after they're done. If I listen to any commentary, it's only to find out what's being said. I certainly don't value the opinion of any gassbag journalist. Never believed it was their job to begin with.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I have a jug of r22 if you need some. Have a manifold too.

I just picked up the Godsend, an acetylene torch, for one lousy braze:D

Actually I'm just about finished. I'll get back into this fun when the house cools back down.

[Oh Shoot]

They've already lopped off at least one head in MMS. They ain't done.

Big whoop, made Birnbaum fall on her sword to show "action".

Worst that ever happens to these folks is they lose their jobs, when most of them likely deserve a stay in Leavenworth.

- OS

[mikegideon]

Big whoop, made Birnbaum fall on her sword to show "action".

Worst that ever happens to these folks is they lose their jobs, when most of them likely deserve a stay in Leavenworth.

- OS

Guess we're gonna have to see if that comes about. I probably won't rely on the media's prediction.

[mikegideon]

Now the damn saw blade is in a bind.

[Guest SUNTZU]

You're a much better researcher than me. You may have noticed that I am not big on bashing Bush over Katrina. I was up to my neck in that mess, to the point that the FCC was calling me, and I pissed off Haley Barbour in a pretty big way.

I'm defending the effort. I've been thru recovery efforts in large geographical areas, and had the resources of a muti-billion dollar company behind me. I had a lot more resources than I could use because of the logistics of the recovery effort.

Even John Stewart blasted Obama last night. Fact is, he committed a lot of his top people, is getting daily briefings, and is behind the effort. He's a Lawyer... do YOU want him more involved than he is? Support the effort, provide the resources, and slap somebody if they get in the way. That's HIS job, and he appears to be doing it.

My sources are simple... I listen to the people that are on the ground thru briefings and press conferences. I usually do some followup research after they're done. If I listen to any commentary, it's only to find out what's being said. I certainly don't value the opinion of any gassbag journalist. Never believed it was their job to begin with.

My apologies, Mike. That explanation changes some of my viewpoints on your posts. Thanks for the explanation.

[Guest db99wj]

I wish they would all back off the finger pointing and figure out how to stop this f'n thing from spewing more oil. Once that is complete, go after each other all you want.

[mikegideon]

My apologies, Mike. That explanation changes some of my viewpoints on your posts. Thanks for the explanation.

No apologies necessary. We're all frustrated these days.

[mikegideon]

I wish they would all back off the finger pointing and figure out how to stop this f'n thing from spewing more oil. Once that is complete, go after each other all you want.

The media needs to STFU and report the news, but they can't. 24 hour news channels, by their very design, have to keep the buzz going whether there is any substance or not. The worst ones are the ones with heavy political agendas.

[Guest TargetShooter84]

The media needs to scoop Obama up and drop him in the middle of the oil soaked ocean and leave him for good.

[Guest SUNTZU]

The media needs to STFU and report the news, but they can't. 24 hour news channels, by their very design, have to keep the buzz going whether there is any substance or not. The worst ones are the ones with heavy political agendas.

See, that's my problem right there. Obama has nothing to say BUT his heavy political agenda.

[mikegideon]

The media needs to scoop Obama up and drop him in the middle of the oil soaked ocean and leave him for good.

That will fix everything

[Guest TargetShooter84]

That will fix everything

Indeed.

[mikegideon]

See, that's my problem right there. Obama has nothing to say BUT his heavy political agenda.

This is political? It's how I would handle it. Should he not say stuff like this? It doesn't matter to some folks, but I wanna know his plan.

If the laws on our books are insufficient to prevent such a spill, the laws must change. If oversight was inadequate to enforce these laws, oversight has to be reformed. If our laws were broken, leading to this death and destruction, my solemn pledge is that we will bring those responsible to justice on behalf of the victims of this catastrophe and the people of the Gulf region.

[mikegideon]

Indeed.

Should have done it before all the Bull sharks bugged out for South America. Biden is on deck. You sure you want that?

[Guest SUNTZU]

This is political? It's how I would handle it. Should he not say stuff like this? It doesn't matter to some folks, but I wanna know his plan.

If the laws on our books are insufficient to prevent such a spill, the laws must change. If oversight was inadequate to enforce these laws, oversight has to be reformed. If our laws were broken, leading to this death and destruction, my solemn pledge is that we will bring those responsible to justice on behalf of the victims of this catastrophe and the people of the Gulf region.

Lets see if Obama is being political....

HMMMM. Tappity tappity on the keyboards....quick google search....Ah, right there at the tippy top....

Obama: Oil spill another reason for 'a clean energy future' - The Oval: Tracking the Obama presidency

President Obama will again promote his health care, education, and energy plans today as keys to long-term economic growth, though he will also discuss energy in terms of the Gulf Coast oil spill.According to excerpts released by the White House, Obama plans to say "the catastrophe unfolding in the Gulf right now" is further evidence that "the time has come, once and for all, for this nation to fully embrace a clean energy future."

Obama also plans to blast Republicans over their economic policies.

Here are other excerpts of the economic speech Obama will deliver at Carnegie Mellon University:

America does not stand still. We move forward. That is why I've said that as we emerge from this recession, we cannot return to the pre-crisis status quo. We cannot go back to an economy that was too dependent on bubbles and debt and financial speculation. We cannot accept economic growth that leaves the middle-class owing more and making less. We must build a new, stronger foundation for growth and prosperity -- and that's exactly what we've been doing for the last sixteen months.

It's a foundation based on investments in our people and their future. Investments in the skills and education we need to compete. Investments in a 21st century infrastructure for America, from high-speed railroads to high-speed internet. Investments in research and technology, like clean energy, that can lead to new jobs and new exports and new industries.

This new foundation is also based on reforms that will make our economy stronger and our businesses more competitive -- reforms that will make health care cheaper, our financial system more secure, and our government less burdened with debt.

Now, some of you may have noticed that we have been building this foundation without much help from our friends in the other party. From our efforts to rescue the economy to health insurance reform to financial reform, most have sat on the sidelines and shouted from the bleachers. They said no to tax cuts for small businesses; no to tax credits for college tuition; no to investments in clean energy. They said no to protecting patients from insurance companies and consumers from big banks.

But to be fair, a good deal of the other party's opposition to our agenda has also been rooted in their sincere and fundamental belief about government. It's a belief that government has little or no role to play in helping this nation meet our collective challenges. It's an agenda that basically offers two answers to every problem we face: more tax breaks for the wealthy and fewer rules for corporations.

As November approaches, leaders in the other party will campaign furiously on the same economic argument they've been making for decades. Fortunately, we don't have to look back too many years to see how it turns out. For much of the last ten years, we tried it their way. They gave tax cuts that weren't paid for to millionaires who didn't need them. They gutted regulations, and put industry insiders in charge of industry oversight. They shortchanged investments in clean energy and education; in research and technology. And despite all their current moralizing about the need to curb spending, this is the same crowd who took the record $237 billion surplus that President Clinton left them and turned it into a record $1.3 trillion deficit.

So we already know where their ideas led us. And now we have a choice as a nation. We can return to the failed economic policies of the past, or we can keep building a stronger future. We can go backward, or we can keep moving forward.

I don't know about you, but I want to move forward.

The catastrophe unfolding in the Gulf right now may prove to be a result of human error -- or corporations taking dangerous short-cuts that compromised safety. But we have to acknowledge that there are inherent risks to drilling four miles beneath the surface of the Earth -- risks that are bound to increase the harder oil extraction becomes. Just like we have to acknowledge that an America run solely on fossil fuels should not be the vision we have for our children and grandchildren.

The time has come, once and for all, for this nation to fully embrace a clean energy future. That means continuing our unprecedented effort to make everything from our homes and businesses to our cars and trucks more energy efficient. It means tapping into our natural gas reserves, and moving ahead with our plan to expand our nation's fleet of nuclear power plants. And it means rolling back billions of dollars in tax breaks to oil companies so we can prioritize investments in clean energy research and development.

But the only way the transition to clean energy will succeed is if the private sector is fully invested in this future -- if capital comes off the sidelines and the ingenuity of our entrepreneurs is unleashed. And the only way to do that is by finally putting a price on carbon pollution.

The House of Representatives has already passed a comprehensive energy and climate bill, and there is currently a plan in the Senate -- a plan that was developed with ideas from Democrats and Republicans -- that would achieve the same goals. The votes may not be there right now, but I intend to find them in the coming months. I will make the case for a clean energy future wherever I can, and I will work with anyone from either party to get this done. But we will get this done. The next generation will not be held hostage to energy sources from the last century. We will not move back. America will move forward.

Looks like his ONLY interest is in making this oil leak stop. Nah, no agenda pushing there. Especially in light of his statement on bankrupting coal and ALL of the other BS he's wanting to change. His first paragraph is right out of the socialist playbook. I'd be happy to pick you up a copy. I was reading it at lunch. To say that Obama is NOT being political after a year and a half of listening to the words directly from his mouth shows naivete or obfuscation. He needs to stop the leak and may have his own weird way of going about getting it done, but its going to be difficult for a community organizer to come up with a plan other than bashing corporations who are better equipped to handle this mess.

[G27]

Yah, don't think for an instant this won't be used for more cap and trade talk...

[mikegideon]

Lets see if Obama is being political....

HMMMM. Tappity tappity on the keyboards....quick google search....Ah, right there at the tippy top....

Obama: Oil spill another reason for 'a clean energy future' - The Oval: Tracking the Obama presidency

Looks like his ONLY interest is in making this oil leak stop. Nah, no agenda pushing there. Especially in light of his statement on bankrupting coal and ALL of the other BS he's wanting to change. His first paragraph is right out of the socialist playbook. I'd be happy to pick you up a copy. I was reading it at lunch. To say that Obama is NOT being political after a year and a half of listening to the words directly from his mouth shows naivete or obfuscation. He needs to stop the leak and may have his own weird way of going about getting it done, but its going to be difficult for a community organizer to come up with a plan other than bashing corporations who are better equipped to handle this mess.

I KNOW his agenda, but that's not what we're talking about here. They're trying to plug the hole, and they HAVE relied on BP.

Who would YOU put in charge, and how would YOU do it?

[Guest SUNTZU]

I KNOW his agenda, but that's not what we're talking about here. They're trying to plug the hole, and they HAVE relied on BP.

Who would YOU put in charge, and how would YOU do it?

Don't turn it towards me, Mike, its the man in the White House who is supposed to deal with this. Since its beyond what they can handle WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE BASE, maybe they should CUT red tape instead of lawyering up all over the place, creating MORE red tape, and shrilly screaming off with their heads everytime they see a video camera. There are lots of ideas out there on what to do; I don't need to review them here.

Just saying.

[mikegideon]

Yah, don't think for an instant this won't be used for more cap and trade talk...

I can't even see how they fit together. Cap and Trade is about climate change. The oil spill has nothing to do with it. They're not gonna ban off shore drilling but they're going to require safe engineering. What is wrong with that. Look at the money is being wasted because of this screwup, and we're gonna find it WAS a screwup.

Nobody in their right mind can believe this spill is acceptable.

[Guest SUNTZU]

I can't even see how they fit together. Cap and Trade is about climate change. The oil spill has nothing to do with it. They're not gonna ban off shore drilling but they're going to require safe engineering. What is wrong with that. Look at the money is being wasted because of this screwup, and we're gonna find it WAS a screwup.

Nobody in their right mind can believe this spill is acceptable.

Not saying its acceptable, but don't point the finger at the other party when he has a lot to answer for himself. Also, go read Obama's notes in the USA today article I linked. Its NOT about safe engineering, its about free, clean energy for all and getting out from under living in fear. BS.

[G27]

I can't even see how they fit together. Cap and Trade is about climate change.

You've never heard of oil being a problem with those who think climate change is an issue? Really? The evil black goo is enemy #1 as part of that agenda...

And as to why they'll push forward with it, Rhambo can answer that one...

[mikegideon]

Not saying its acceptable, but don't point the finger at the other party when he has a lot to answer for himself. Also, go read Obama's notes in the USA today article I linked. Its NOT about safe engineering, its about free, clean energy for all and getting out from under living in fear. BS.

I thought you said you listened to everything he has said. His clean energy agenda doesn't involve shutting down domestic oil production in the near term at all. In fact, we would have to eliminate our dependence on middle eastern oil first. he's saying, we need to fix systems that were already supposed to be in place, so we don't have another major event.

The whole message, at this point is... If you don't ever start, you won't ever get there. Nothing wrong with clean energy, but it's not here yet. We're looking at 10 years for some of it.

I'll believe differently when I see REAL evidence, not speculation from a pundit.

[mikegideon]

You've never heard of oil being a problem with those who think climate change is an issue? Really? The evil black goo is enemy #1 as part of that agenda...

And as to why they'll push forward with it, Rhambo can answer that one...

Sure I have, but it's not the same issue with oil. Not saying some liberal dip:poop: won't try to make the connection. I would just be surprised if Obama did.