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A Disaster Of Mega Proportions Brewing In Gulf

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willis68 Postus Maximus

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So... you headed to the Walmart? :lol:

:blink::D:D

I really wish it was that simple, the guys out there right now are pretty ingenious at coming up with ideas to stop it, the problem is getting upper management to agree with their methods, I have never had to cap off a leak this bad, but I have successfully done much smaller ones.

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Caught BP CEO on Greta last night....transcript at:

BP CEO Reveals Plan B and Beyond for Gulf Oil Spill Disaster - Greta Van Susteren | On The Record With Greta - FOXNews.com

I really think very few are foreseeing just what a disaster this really may be.

It's obvious that nobody knows just how much oil is really coming out of this thing, and the 200,000/day or so gallons may be way way way underestimated. Some think it may have already equaled the 10 million of the Exxon Valdez.

There are likely tens of millions of BARRELS in this deposit.

Just the lowest likely amount, 10 million barrels, is 42 times more than the Prince William Sound dump. Could be 3, 4, 5 times that amount, who knows?

Besides just killing the gulf as we know it, this thing could wind up tipping the economy into the meltdown that most probably consider tin foil territory.

Sigh.

- OS

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Caught BP CEO on Greta last night....transcript at:

BP CEO Reveals Plan B and Beyond for Gulf Oil Spill Disaster - Greta Van Susteren | On The Record With Greta - FOXNews.com

I really think very few are foreseeing just what a disaster this really may be.

It's obvious that nobody knows just how much oil is really coming out of this thing, and the 200,000/day or so gallons may be way way way underestimated. Some think it may have already equaled the 10 million of the Exxon Valdez.

There are likely tens of millions of BARRELS in this deposit.

Just the lowest likely amount, 10 million barrels, is 42 times more than the Prince William Sound dump. Could be 3, 4, 5 times that amount, who knows?

Besides just killing the gulf as we know it, this thing could wind up tipping the economy into the meltdown that most probably consider tin foil territory.

Sigh.

- OS

I think BP has a very good idea of what's in the deposit. They'll stop the flow eventually. Each plan is less of a crap shoot than the last. As I view it, the two domes and the junk shot are quick and dirty. If those fail, a second blowout preventer will most likely work. If all else fails, the relief well will work.

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90 more days at current rate, whatEVER it is (or worse if they futz well head), and the gulf may be toast for many years.

- OS

It's sad to see this. I wonder if they are giving us an accurate assessment of damages.

Although it's not feasible for me now, I'd love to be there at ground zero to compare this one to Exxon.

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It's sad to see this. I wonder if they are giving us an accurate assessment of damages.

"They" who?

Just the lost work wages from fishing/processing already accrued is staggering.

BP CEO admitted that they don't really know how much oil is cranking out of that thing.

I'm sure than BP, Transocean, and Halliburton combined will never cough up a fraction of the actual damages that will result. The initial attempt of all three passing the buck around today is of course business as usual.

The BP mouthpiece in Congress today answered direct questions about 5 times that they will pay "all legitimate claims". Watch BP's 10 year battle in court over that word.

BP's now TWO attempts to get cleanup hirees to sign a no sue waiver, and the same for the injured they took off the rig (some of them didn't even get on shore till 40 hours AFTER the accident) is another telling indicator of how they will fight this tooth and nail, regardless of the make nice talking heads now.

Although it's not feasible for me now, I'd love to be there at ground zero to compare this one to Exxon.

Well, it's over a much larger area than Prince William, and of course have so far been quite lucky that it's not totally engulfing shore yet. Course, we only see the TOP of the the main slick, which was compared to size of Puerto Rico 10 days ago, so there's sure not much living in THAT area of the gulf now. Also, it's a lighter grade than what came out of the Valdez, which is sort of good and bad news.

Knock on wood, haven't even had a good sized tropical storm there since this happened, but of course ....

- OS

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I'm sure than BP, Transocean, and Halliburton combined will never cough up a fraction of the actual damages that will result. The initial attempt of all three passing the buck around today is of course business as usual.

The BP mouthpiece in Congress today answered direct questions about 5 times that they will pay "all legitimate claims". Watch BP's 10 year battle in court over that word.

BP's now TWO attempts to get cleanup hirees to sign a no sue waiver, and the same for the injured they took off the rig (some of them didn't even get on shore till 40 hours AFTER the accident) is another telling indicator of how they will fight this tooth and nail, regardless of the make nice talking heads now.

While it's a small move, I'd recommend all people avoid supporting BP in any way until we see how this is resolved. I've sworn off BO, and in my little town that's kind of a big deal as it means driving about 10 extra miles just to get gas.

I refuse to support this company directly at this point.

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I think BP has a very good idea of what's in the deposit. They'll stop the flow eventually. Each plan is less of a crap shoot than the last. As I view it, the two domes and the junk shot are quick and dirty. If those fail, a second blowout preventer will most likely work. If all else fails, the relief well will work.

From what I have gathered, please correct me if I'm wrong, is that the techniques that they are using and we are hearing about are the ones that, if they work, are the quickest possible ways to stop the leaks. The issue is "if they work".

The other, for sure ways, are being done as "back ups", because they know it will work, but it takes time for these techniques to be set up and stop the leak.

In other words, they are hoping that the unproven techniques will work so that the leaks are stopped faster, but in the mean time, they are implementing the proven techniques to stop it if the quick fixes don't, but that takes longer to do.

Does that make sense?

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From what I have gathered, please correct me if I'm wrong, is that the techniques that they are using and we are hearing about are the ones that, if they work, are the quickest possible ways to stop the leaks. The issue is "if they work".

The other, for sure ways, are being done as "back ups", because they know it will work, but it takes time for these techniques to be set up and stop the leak.

In other words, they are hoping that the unproven techniques will work so that the leaks are stopped faster, but in the mean time, they are implementing the proven techniques to stop it if the quick fixes don't, but that takes longer to do.

Does that make sense?

That's my understanding. I'm watching the hearing now. There was an anomaly in the negative pressure test of the well on the day of the explosion.

They're asking the right questions

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Panama City, that's where we are going.

I got married on the beach in St. Thomas. Getting married on the beach was great. Had a big party when we got home!

We're actually hopping a plane to Ft. Lauderdale so we can catch a boat to St. Thomas the morning after the wedding...lol. That is, if we're still able to have the wedding in Panama City in the first place. My only job from this point forward is to monitor the activity of the slick. That's why I've subscribed to this thread... :rolleyes:
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I'd like to see the ellipses grow in real time. I wouldn't really LIKE to see it, but you understand. We could place bets on which previous disaster it will match. Could even start a poll to liven things up while we cringe.

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Some dude, former oil guy, was on tv this morning talking about ways to contain it and said that about 20 yrs ago (can't remember which) there was a huge spill in the persian gulf that was never reported because of the constraints on the media, but they used huge oil tanker ships that get in specific formations, and "corral" the oil into one area so that they can get the oil, and take it away. It was surprisingly effective. They are trying figure out the details so they can try it here.

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So, they say they have the small pipe in one of the leaks, now "siphoning" (don't say "pumping") some of the oil up into ship.

How much and how much will it help?

Who knows.

There is outcry for an hour's worth of footage of main leak just to see.

More nastiness reported re BP's treatment of them after evacuation. Also seems to be beau coup favoritism regarding which (former) fishermen get to work on cleanup for bucks, etc.

Kevin Costner seems to have a solution, assuming they can quickly manufacture about a billion of the oil/water separation units and import some Chinese to crank them.

So far, I remain quite pessimistic about the whole thing.

- OS

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