Obama skips Polish funeral, heads to golf course

[Guest 6.8 AR]

So... if all the fact checking groups are in on the conspiracy, I guess there's nobody left to trust, except Beck, of course.

You just don't like Beck. I don't care. It's my opinion that came

from sources before I starting watching Beck. I don't understand

the fetish some have by trashing someone like Beck or Rush.

If those guys are liars, please point it out to me. I will forever

apologize to the exalted ones, even when they point out that

they appear to believe the same sources on faith alone.

When I form an opinion, I at least try to see another point of

view, instead of taking the first source for granted. Maybe there

are some that go to places like American Thinker, Newsmax,

Forbes, and a lot of places through Drudgereport, which happens

to be a very open sourced kind of place. I have never seen FactCheck.org

used as a credible reference except by liberal news

sources during the 2008 Presidential Campaign. What do you think

RealClearPoltics.com is? Is it any different from FactCheck.org?

Not really, but you might think so and take what they say as the gospel,

also.

News reporting has always been biased and I choose

which bias I can stomach. I hope you don't mind.

Edited April 20, 2010 by 6.8 AR

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Picking nits is appropriate today:D

[Garufa]

Obama Just Farted!

It clealy is just further proof the country is destroyed and we are all socialist subjects. Let's all get bent out of shape over what he's doing now.

For Pete's sake, the airspace over Europe was closed! Why is this even an issue.

[mikegideon]

You just don't like Beck. I don't care. It's my opinion that came

from sources before I starting watching Beck. I don't understand

the fetish some have by trashing someone like Beck or Rush.

If those guys are liars, please point it out to me. I will forever

apologize to the exalted ones, even when they point out that

they appear to believe the same sources on faith alone.

When I form an opinion, I at least try to see another point of

view, instead of taking the first source for granted. Maybe there

are some that go to places like American Thinker, Newsmax,

Forbes, and a lot of places through Drudgereport, which happens

to be a very open sourced kind of place. I have never seen FactCheck.org

used as a credible reference except by liberal news

sources during the 2008 Presidential Campaign. What do you think

RealClearPoltics.com is? Is it any different from FactCheck.org?

Not really, but you might think so and take what they say as the gospel,

also.

News reporting has always been biased and I choose

which bias I can stomach. I hope you don't mind.

I don't mind at all. You know my opinions of Beck and Rush, and you know why I have those opinions. Fact is, neither one of us are 100% right, so I'm hoping you'll jar something loose in my hard head

[Guest 6.8 AR]

One other thing about the article some might have missed in their want to bash Bush. The article backed up what I said in my first post, if you read the article. Maybe you don't like the Washington Times, due to its opposing point of view with the NYTimes and Washington Post. It does tend to view from the center right. 22 golf games in 8 years? Compared to 32 in a little over one. Y'all can do better than that.

[strickj]

Look up who runs Factcheck. org, before you make claims you can't

back. They're full of "facts". Get your facts right, first.

Well then by all means post proof that Obama has spent more days on vacation then Bush.

As far as Bush goes:

487 days at Camp David

490 days at Crawford Ranch

43 days at Kennebunkport Compound

Total: 1020 days, more than 1/3rd of his presidency.

Good tactic, BTW.

Degrade the facts that I posted because you don't agree instead of posting "real facts" to support your claims...

[mikegideon]

Obama Just Farted!

It clealy is just further proof the country is destroyed and we are all socialist subjects. Let's all get bent out of shape over what he's doing now.

For Pete's sake, the airspace over Europe was closed! Why is this even an issue.

I you could see my chalk board right now, I would prove that Obama really is the only one that's allowed to fart.

[Garufa]

I you could see my chalk board right now, I would prove that Obama really is the only one that's allowed to fart.

You chalk board does not take me into account. Only I can break wind with any talent.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Well then by all means post proof that Obama has spent more days on vacation then Bush.

As far as Bush goes:

487 days at Camp David

490 days at Crawford Ranch

43 days at Kennebunkport Compound

Total: 1020 days, more than 1/3rd of his presidency.

Good tactic, BTW.

Degrade the facts that I posted because you don't agree instead of posting "real facts" to support your claims...

Because the "FACTS" don't mean anything, strickj. How many days did Reagan spend in Camp David, or the ranch in California. What about Eisenhower, Carter, Johnson, etc. They can work at locations other than the White House. They all do that. They all will.

If you don't like Bush or Obama or Reagan, just say it, I do. You had to look for a source. I thought it was a lousy source and I still do. It was a source that trivializes and

means nothing as far as his presidency goes.

It's the same as Obama "stuffing the bill in his pocket"

and going for a weekend break before he signs it. Big deal. I'm outspoken against messianic attitudes and

gross arrogance. You wish to kick Bush after he's gone.

There is no winner. Part of that is why we are stuck with Obama.

[mikegideon]

Does this mean I'm off the list for a little while?

[Guest jackdm3]

Who owns that list, mike?

[strickj]

Because the "FACTS" don't mean anything, strickj. How many days did Reagan spend in Camp David, or the ranch in California. What about Eisenhower, Carter, Johnson, etc. They can work at locations other than the White House. They all do that. They all will.

If you don't like Bush or Obama or Reagan, just say it, I do. You had to look for a source. I thought it was a lousy source and I still do. It was a source that trivializes and

means nothing as far as his presidency goes.

It's the same as Obama "stuffing the bill in his pocket"

and going for a weekend break before he signs it. Big deal. I'm outspoken against messianic attitudes and

gross arrogance. You wish to kick Bush after he's gone.

There is no winner. Part of that is why we are stuck with Obama.

I'm not kicking Bush.

In fact I'm one of the few that likes him.

I was originally just pointing out the hypocrisy of Bush's statement.

Now, I'm just trying to get you to back-up what you stated about Obama taking more vacation days then Bush.

First you degrade my source.

Then, upon request, you fail to post any sources of your own that are any better.

All the while saying that the number of vacation days doesn't matter because the president can work away from the office.

And for the record, I don't like Obama anymore then anyone one else here.

However, at the same time I'm not going to bad mouth the president "for taking a dump" or taking a day golfing that was previously scheduled that he can no longer make.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

No, I choose to criticize him on his public actions as POTUS and the damage he inflicts on this country. I never showed any interest in the number of his dumps, either. I don't give a flip how many vacation days he took.

You still don't understand. Fact checkers don't check facts. Facts

don't change until they are distorted by bias, putting context into

someone else's word.

Suppose you were in a history class and the teacher says, after a reading assignment, "This is really what Jefferson meant", when Jefferson's words can stand alone without the teacher's "context" being injected.

By the way, Annenberg was originally a conservative foundation

that changed it's views over the years. Obama was co chairing the board with Bill Ayers. Do you wish to see a link for that? I can go Google it for you.

[strickj]

Nope.

Just want to see a link showing Obama has taken more off days then Bush instead of "fact check is fake" or whatever

[Guest SUNTZU]

I think it was Putin. The Polish government on that Russian built Tupolov Tu-154 were pro-Western and were wanting the Missile Shield. President Kaczynski was outspoken against the Russian government.

Polish plane crash: investigators rule out technical fault - Telegraph

While Polish-Russian relations had been improving recently, there had been enmity between the two dating back to the Katyn slayings. President Kaczynski had angered the Kremlin with his as a staunch defender of Ukraine and Georgia against what he called Russia's "new imperialism". He had also supported the decision to allow the US to use Poland as a base for its missile shield programme.

There have been mounting conspiracy theories about Russian involvement in the crash appearing on the internet. Fyodor Lukyanov, a political analyst and editor of the journal Russia in World Affairs, said: "Kaczynski was, to put it lightly, not a friend of Russia. Nonetheless, he is being treated with the utmost respect by the Russian leadership.

"This crash, however, is symbolically very gloomy ... and may reinforce in Poland the notion that everything associated with Russia is awful and bad.

"Even if it is confirmed that pilot error caused the crash, there will inevitably be those who say it was the KGB that killed Kaczynski."

Putin almost apologized about Katyn, which Russia has covered up for years, but never formally.

Mr. Putin did condemn the “cynical lies that have blurred the truth about the Katyn shootings,†adding, however, that “it would also be a lie and manipulation to place the blame for these crimes on the Russian people.â€

Putin Observes Anniversary of Katyn Killings - NYTimes.com

If you don't know what Katyn is, here's an overview.

Katyn Massacre

...and the plane crashed in Russian territory....

:tinfoil::P:tinfoil:

[Guest mosinon]

Because the "FACTS" don't mean anything, strickj. You had to look for a source.

Nothing worse than looking for facts and a source in my opinion. Mostly I just want to believe what I already believe.When those damn facts get in the way I get pissed. The world is the way I say it is because that is the way I say it is. I am quite thankful I have never been wrong.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Because it's on the internet.

[Mike.357]

Putin almost apologized about Katyn, which Russia has covered up for years, but never formally.

Maybe an apology for the cover up, but Putin apologizing is akin to present day gov't here apologizing for slavery. No one alive today was involved in Katyn as no one alive today was a slaver.

[Guest SUNTZU]

Maybe an apology for the cover up, but Putin apologizing is akin to present day gov't here apologizing for slavery. No one alive today was involved in Katyn as no one alive today was a slaver.

Yep. Just summarizing the article.

[Links2k]

I thought it was the volcanos fault. I heard that a large number of people were not able to attend the funeral because of the volcano.

That was my understanding also, but that takes away from blaming Obama. I heard Rush say that God erupted the volcano in Europe because he was angry about the American health care bill.

[Links2k]

who gives a flip if Obama is playing golf? For God's sake he is not even playing once a week. I don't care how much he sucks, or is a bad president or whatever. Playing golf every other week is not extreme or something to answer for.

You are going to be held accountable for using "common sense".

[mikegideon]

You are going to be held accountable for using "common sense".

He does that a lot

[mikegideon]

That was my understanding also, but that takes away from blaming Obama. I heard Rush say that God erupted the volcano in Europe because he was angry about the American health care bill.

Entertaining perspective. It's all about Obama. Forget that the airlines are losing huge money right now.

[Guest db99wj]

Entertaining perspective. It's all about Obama. Forget that the airlines are losing huge money right now.

Aren't the airlines always losing money!

[Guest jackdm3]

They withheld inflight meals and profits soared!