charter arms revolvers

[bayouvol]

Has anyone heard the latest on the Charter rimless revolver? I thought it would be a great idea but they never made it to the shelves. I was looking for a 45 an thought these would be great. Especially if they could make a speed loader to operate with them.

[Oh Shoot]

Has anyone heard the latest on the Charter rimless revolver? ...

Turned out to be vaporware for whatever reason.

Maybe Charter's in trouble again; they have to reorganize every few years, seems.

- OS

[JAB]

Their web page still says that they 'will be available late Fall 2009!' Obviously, unless they are also working on a time machine, that is not the case. I had read somewhere that they had been trying to work out some 'patent issues' or something like that (this was before the targeted release date of Fall 2009.) It sounds like a good idea and they would probably sell. I hope the idea isn't dead.

[turkeydad]

I too am interested in a rimless revolver and I was down at Farnsworth and Robert actually called them and they said that project is now on back burner as they can barely keep up with the orders for what they are already making

[Oh Shoot]

Their web page still says that they 'will be available late Fall 2009!'...

You must be seeing some orphaned page through search, as I can no longer find any mention at all of these through main site.

- OS

[lowbud]

You must be seeing some orphaned page through search, as I can no longer find any mention at all of these through main site.

- OS

+1

I think the concept was scrapped. I haven't heard anything about these in quite some time.

[JAB]

You must be seeing some orphaned page through search, as I can no longer find any mention at all of these through main site.

- OS

Possibly. Probably, in fact. It is a sub-page at the 'charterfirearms' site but I got to it by 'Googling' Charter Arms rimless revolvers. If I go straight to 'charterfirearms.com' I don't see any way to navigate to the rimless revolver info page. I guess the info sub-page is still around but they took the link off of the main page. Just for kicks, the link is:

Charter Arms Rimless Revolver

Edited April 12, 2010 by JAB

[JAB]

I too am interested in a rimless revolver and I was down at Farnsworth and Robert actually called them and they said that project is now on back burner as they can barely keep up with the orders for what they are already making

I know they aren't the biggest company and I know there has been an upswing in personal protection firearms sales but are Charter revolvers really selling that quickly right now? Almost sounds to me like a way to put a positive spin on, "We couldn't get it to work right and will have to go back to the drawing board." I mean, sure they'd want to meet current demand so as not to lose the potential customers they already have but I'd think that Charter would at least want to build a few CARRs and put them out there to see how popular they might be. If they work well, I'd imagine a revolver that chambers and ejects rimless (semiauto handgun caliber) cartridges without the need for moon clips, etc. is the kind of design that could take their company to the next level. I mean, with it's ability to fire .380 (which seems to still be growing in popularity as an SD round) as well as 9mm (with the ammo variety and selection that implies) I'd think that one version, alone, would do a lot for them even without the .40 and .45 versions.

[Oh Shoot]

...but I'd think that Charter would at least want to build a few CARRs and put them out there to see how popular they might be....

Well, I dunno. Ruger makes rimless single action revolvers now in .45ACP and 9mm, but sees no reason to expand the line to smaller double action revolvers.

Surely, they'd jump on the idea if they thought they'd sell?

They used to make a SP101 in 9mm, but it wasn't rimless, so they've at least nibbled at the idea but didn't get enough bites, I guess.

- OS

[JAB]

Well, I dunno. Ruger makes rimless single action revolvers now in .45ACP and 9mm, but sees no reason to expand the line to smaller double action revolvers.

Surely, they'd jump on the idea if they thought they'd sell?

They used to make a SP101 in 9mm, but it wasn't rimless, so they've at least nibbled at the idea but didn't get enough bites, I guess.

- OS

But was that during a time when there was an apparent 'boom' in personal defense firearm sales? I think that the 'rimless' design would be the big selling point as one of the main complaints I have seen regarding previous 9mm DA revolver designs was the need to use moon clips. Of course, I'm thinking that 'boom' is just about over. May not go entirely 'bust' but seems to be slowing down. Charter may have already missed the boat (if there was a boat in the first place.) All this is said while acknowledging the possibility that I am completely wrong.

Edited April 12, 2010 by JAB

[Oh Shoot]

But was that during a time when there was an apparent 'boom' in personal defense firearm sales? I think that the 'rimless' design would be the big selling point as one of the main complaints I have seen regarding previous 9mm DA revolver designs was the need to use moon clips. Of course, I'm thinking that 'boom' is just about over. May not go entirely 'bust' but seems to be slowing down. Charter may have already missed the boat (if there was a boat in the first place.) All this is said while acknowledging the possibility that I am completely wrong.

Well, I personally just don't see any particular self defense demand for shooting 9mm, .380, and .45ACP in a revolver in the first place. There are already plenty of guns that shoot those rounds in about the same physical size weapon, AND they almost all have greater capacity than a revolver.

I bought the Blackhawk .357mag/9mm mainly as a companion piece to my .357 Marlin rifle, and got the convertible model just as a possible TEOTWAWKI enhancement, to double up on caliber capability. But it had nothing to do with self defense in the normal day to day sense.

- OS

[leroy]

I too am interested in a rimless revolver and I was down at Farnsworth and Robert actually called them and they said that project is now on back burner as they can barely keep up with the orders for what they are already making

All:___________

Just did a search on GunsAmerica (...link here: GunsAmerica - Search - Guns For Sale & Gun Auctions B"H ....). A total of 96 guns for sale were returned (...Gunbroker showed 242! link here: Revolver - Online Gun Auction - Revolver at GunBroker.com...)

All looked to be the "old time" 38, 357, 22lr, and 44 special (...that’s what put Charter Arms on the map to begin with...). Robert appears to be exactly right. Charter is doing plenty of business with the old time calibers. Aint it great that arms manufacturers like Charter are busily arming America!!

Kind regards,

Leroy

[Guest coldblackwind]

My buddy looked this up last night, don't know where he found it, but he read the .40 was coming out in June 2010, the 9mm after that, july I think, etc, etc.

[Guest billwilly73]

I ordered a catalog from charter last nite about 11pm. Along with the request for the catalog I asked about any new info on the rimless revolvers. At 8:19 this morning I got a conformation that my porn was on its way and here is what they sent me about the CARR.........

Charter Arms’ New Revolutionary Rimless Revolver

Charter Arms, Dayton, OH –Charter Arms announces the Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) a revolutionary new rimless revolver for popular semi-auto cartridges.

Problem: The major drawback to rimless semi-auto cartridges in revolvers is they require specially made revolvers. These low production, somewhat scarce and highly specialized revolvers are limited to sometimes fragile and expensive moon/half moon ammunition clips. Generally, only revolver aficionados and collectors bother with (.45 ACP and 9mm Parabellum) rimless revolvers. While they may sometimes be fired without the specialized moon clips, generally the ejector rod will not eject the free floating fired cases (got a pencil?).

Solution: Charter Arms has come up with an affordable revolver that chambers rimless semi-auto rounds in the same manner as a standard rimmed-cartridge revolver.

Available Calibers: Charter Arms will first offer the .40 S&W chambering (see availability below) followed by the .45 ACP and 9x19 mm Parabellum (the 9mm Parabellum revolver will also chamber factory .380 ACP). All three of Charter Arms’ Rimless Revolvers (9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP) are rated for higher velocity +P loadings.

The advantage is now the average gun owner can own an affordable, trouble free revolver chambered in these popular semi-auto rounds without the need for specialized ammunition clips and a specialized gun.

Back up and self defense: For law enforcement work the always ready-to-fire, fiddle-factor-free revolver is the back up to have; especially if is the same caliber as the officer’s carry gun. As a primary self defense carry gun, these three calibers mean reliable protection in popular semi-auto self defense-calibers.

If more power is needed, step up to +P ammo. The advantage with Charter Arms Rimless Revolvers is they will fire any mix of cartridges while maintaining 100% reliability. For plinking with .45 ACP or 9mm surplus and discounted military type ammo, the affordable Charter Arms Rimless Revolver will prove to be very economical and it’s also a .380 ACP revolver. Now that is fun!

The secret is the patent pending Charter Arms Rimless Revolver Round System. Basically, when a round is loaded into the chamber a specialized spring engages the cartridge’s ejector groove. When the cylinder is opened and the ejector rod operated, it extracts and ejects the fired cases.

Models: Initially snub barrels (2†9mm and 2.2†.40 S&W and .45 ACP) as these revolvers are designed for self defense and back up. The 9mm is built on Charter Arms’ compact and lightweight undercover platform featuring an aluminum frame and weighing only 12 ounces. The .40 S&W and .45 ACP built on the popular and robust Bulldog frame (approximate weight 21 ounces) due to the larger diameter of these cartridges while maintaining a compact profile.

Availability: The anticipated production start date for the .40 S&W had been in 2009, but was moved to late May or early June 2010. About 90-120 days later, production for the 9mm should begin and 90-120 days after the 9mm will come the .45 ACP. Please see above models for more information.

Warranty: Charter Arms has an industry exclusive lifetime warranty on its revolvers.

MSRP Prices: 9mm $399.00, .40 S&W $449.00, .45 ACP $449.00

[bayouvol]

This doesn't tell us when they are coming out. sounds like they sent you a form letter. I would really like to hear an announcement saying when they are coming out. I have a craviing to trade my 642 up to something bigger. I have been looking at a taurus 605 with a 3 inch barrel, but I really would like to have a military caliber and preferably 45 in the revolver.