Leave loaded gun in car while at work?

[Guest sandmanfvr]

I posted this on Georgia packing and Georgia is ok with it but wanted to know since I have a Georgia firearm license and I go into work in Tennessee (or into a place that doesn't allow firearms) do I have to unload it in tennessee? Wanting to make sure here and don things by the book. Thanks.

[strickj]

It's your gun and your car, so do as you wish.

[mcurrier]

We live in a pretty cool and sensible state here.

[gunner]

If company policy is "No Firearms Allowed" and you're "discovered" then you're screwed,regardless of any kind of permit

[Guest sandmanfvr]

The company I am at don't care so I was wondering about the state laws as I leave it in my truck till i come home. Good to know as it is up and out of site BUT loaded. Thanks.

Edited April 11, 2010 by sandmanfvr

[Mike.357]

If company policy is "No Firearms Allowed" and you're "discovered" then you're screwed,regardless of any kind of permit

Now is that just a "lose your job scenario" or is that legal trouble territory?

[Guest sandmanfvr]

Should be like any where else in that you would be in trouble with your job and not the law. If you went into an establishment with a sign they just ask you to leave only legal action if you refuse.

[DaveTN]

Your Georgia license is good in Tennessee. The cops aren’t going to address the employer issue unless they are called to escort you out. Tennessee is employment at will; so unless you have a contract they don’t need to give a reason for letting you go.

[Guest Daelith]

MY HCP instructor advised that I would be better off to have written permission to carry on the premises. Since I'm going in early to open, the owner of the company I work for had no problem with this. Had me write up the letter and he signed it. I keep the original in a safe place at work and a copy in my car. Personally, I wouldn't think it should matter if you're keeping it your vehicle and the company doesn't have any thing in your employee handbook about it.

[Oh Shoot]

MY HCP instructor advised that I would be better off to have written permission to carry on the premises. ...

TN law is pretty simple:

There is no statute preventing your keeping loaded handguns or long guns in car if you have an HCP.

There is no statute preventing your keeping unloaded handguns or long guns in car if you don't have an HCP.

There is no statute that says your employer can't fire you for doing so on his property.

- OS

[Fallguy]

MY HCP instructor advised that I would be better off to have written permission to carry on the premises. Since I'm going in early to open, the owner of the company I work for had no problem with this. Had me write up the letter and he signed it. I keep the original in a safe place at work and a copy in my car. Personally, I wouldn't think it should matter if you're keeping it your vehicle and the company doesn't have any thing in your employee handbook about it.

Wonder what the little piece of paper is worth in the long run actually and what is supposed to protect you from?

As has been said, unless the place is posted, there is no law against it. Also if your employer has no problem with it (assuming they would even know for any reason) depending on the size of the company, do you really need it in writing?

[monkeylizard]

To the OP, your GA HCP is valid in TN. Legally you're OK to carry and leave it loaded. Employment would depend on your workplace rules.

My HCP instructor told us about a guy that bought a small lockbox/gun safe and bolted it into his trunk. Then stored his gun in there when he was at work, as the building was posted, but the parking lot was not. Then it was safe from being stolen if his car was broken into while he was at work.

[Fallguy]

To the OP, your GA HCP is valid in TN. Legally you're OK to carry and leave it loaded. Employment would depend on your workplace rules.

My HCP instructor told us about a guy that bought a small lockbox/gun safe and bolted it into his trunk. Then stored his gun in there when he was at work, as the building was posted, but the parking lot was not. Then it was safe from being stolen if his car was broken into while he was at work.

Center Of Mass Central

[Guest db99wj]

Worst thing about lock boxes so far have been accessibility and locking it up without looking like you are locking something up when you go to the trunk, IMO.

Tuffy, a company that develops and produces different types of security for Jeeps and other brands, has developed a underseat box, that bolts down and slides out once unlocked, specifically for conceal carry. It's about $100 but I like it. Especially if I have the top off and go into the school, or other places that I can't carry. the box has tabs on it that mount under the seat bolts, for some one to steal it, they would have to disassemble the seat, or more than likely, still the whole thing and worry about it later. In todays models with plastic glove boxes, and center consoles, they are not really secure, it takes only a small amount of force to rip a glove box open.

Edited April 12, 2010 by db99wj

[gunner]

The company I am at don't care

must be nice....

[Guest cheez]

Don't ask don't tell.

[Guest sandmanfvr]

Actually there is nothing on the building, in the parking lot etc. Only thing I have heard is they don't want it in the building (duh). Hell people come to work with boats being pulled, and one person like a month ago had a large box in his truck bed, full of turkeys. Was really weird, but must have bought them before his shift (2nd shift) and was taking them home after work. The place is very laid back and I love it. I know a few carry people at work (not in building but they are gun carriers) and talk guns here and there. I have told one gun buddy, old school guy and he doe the same, but not to anybody else. Since it is so laid back, not going to run my mouth and ruin it. Like said above, don't ask and don't tell. I know many hunters go to work where I am and go hunting afterwards (office and manufacturing place) and have all the stuff, guns and such, ready to go in their trucks. lol Doesn't hurt to work in a laid back place, I once worked for TVA but parked in a public garage while in college so I could have kept it in there as they never had no gun signs but of course never on TVA property, gov owned. I am lucky and I am not going to ruin it.

Was about to start a new topic on this but I have a question on Tennessee and ammo other than FMJ. I was reading on nraila.org on Tennessee and it said no hollow point or any plastic in the tip when one is in a criminal act. So does that mean the legal HCP people to? I only have FMJ right now, but I wanted some Corbon Super Auto 380.

Edited April 13, 2010 by sandmanfvr

[Oh Shoot]

... but I have a question on Tennessee and ammo other than FMJ. I was reading on nraila.org on Tennessee and it said no hollow point or any plastic in the tip when one is in a criminal act. So does that mean the legal HCP people to? I only have FMJ right now, but I wanted some Corbon Super Auto 380.

You must have misread.

Certainly, your description of "no hollow point or any plastic in the tip when one is in a criminal act" makes no sense. It's a law that you must remove hollowpoints before you stick up a gas station?

At any rate, New Jersey is the only state I know of that has an restrictions on hollow point ammo. There may be more, but TN is not one of them.

- OS

[Guest sandmanfvr]

NRA-ILA ::

then click on Tennessee

Here is what it says:

"

It is an offense while committing or attempting to

commit a crime of violence to possess or use restricted

ammunition, defined as “any cartridge containing a

bullet coated with a plastic substance with other than

a lead or lead alloy core or a jacketed bullet with other

than a lead or lead alloy core or a cartridge of which

the bullet itself is wholly composed of a metal or metal

alloy other than lead.” Restricted ammunition does

not include shotgun shells or solid plastic bullets.

"

Plastic coated. That is just weird and makes no sense. Just wondering.

[Oh Shoot]

NRA-ILA ::

then click on Tennessee

Here is what it says:

"

It is an offense while committing or attempting to

commit a crime of violence to possess or use restricted

ammunition, defined as “any cartridge containing a

bullet coated with a plastic substance with other than

a lead or lead alloy core or a jacketed bullet with other

than a lead or lead alloy core or a cartridge of which

the bullet itself is wholly composed of a metal or metal

alloy other than lead.” Restricted ammunition does

not include shotgun shells or solid plastic bullets.

"

Plastic coated. That is just weird and makes no sense. Just wondering.

Oh, okay, I see.

That's TN's take on metal piercing and "cop killer" bullets.

An additional charge if used in a handgun crime. The "infamous" Black Talon bullets have a polymer coating of some kind.I didn't know this was still on the books somewhere. It's not in the weapons statutes, though, so not sure where it is tucked, because it's not in any of the statutes mentioned as far as I can see:

"(SOURCES: Tennessee Code § 39-11-106, §§ 39-17-1301 to 39-17-1323, § 39 17-1351, § 39-17 1357, § 39-17-1359, § 62-35-118, § 70-4-123)"

I suspect it may even have been repealed, but don't know for sure.

Notice that none of this is definition of a hollowpoint bullet. Note also, that you may fire any type bullet for practice, or even to defend your life, but probably best not to be using an armor piercing one to do it with.

- OS

Edited April 13, 2010 by OhShoot

[D3vo]

I go into work in Tennessee.

If I read this wrong someone will correct me, but it may be "necessary ($$$$)" for you to get a Tennessee permit because you work in the state.

www.state.tn.us/safety/handgun/reciprocity.htm

"A person who is employed in this state for at least thirty (30) hours a week for six (6) consecutive months is required to obtain a Tennessee handgun carry permit within six (6) months from the last day of the sixth month of regular employment in Tennessee. A Tennessee handgun carry permit will be issued in this situation only if the other state has eligibility requirements that are substantially similar to the eligibility requirements of Tennessee. If the eligibility requirements from the other state are substantially similar to the eligibility requirements of Tennessee, Tennessee may issue a Tennessee permit to the person employed in this state under the renewal provisions of Tennessee law."

Edited April 13, 2010 by D3vo

[Fallguy]

If I read this wrong someone will correct me, but it may be "necessary ($$$$)" for you to get a Tennessee permit because you work in the state.

www.state.tn.us/safety/handgun/reciprocity.htm

"A person who is employed in this state for at least thirty (30) hours a week for six (6) consecutive months is required to obtain a Tennessee handgun carry permit within six (6) months from the last day of the sixth month of regular employment in Tennessee. A Tennessee handgun carry permit will be issued in this situation only if the other state has eligibility requirements that are substantially similar to the eligibility requirements of Tennessee. If the eligibility requirements from the other state are substantially similar to the eligibility requirements of Tennessee, Tennessee may issue a Tennessee permit to the person employed in this state under the renewal provisions of Tennessee law."

The DOS doesn't quote the whole law on it's site.

The above is 39-17-1351®(3)©(i) but 39-17-1351®(3)©(ii) says... "The provisions of this subdivision ®(3)© shall not apply if the state of residence of the person employed in Tennessee has entered into a handgun permit reciprocity agreement with this state pursuant to this subsection ®."

Georgia and TN do have a written reciprocity agreement. (See link in quoted post)

On a side note....now that TN recognizes all state permits, not sure why this is still in the law...but it is....

[monkeylizard]

On a side note....now that TN recognizes all state permits, not sure why this is still in the law...but it is....

What's the difference between reciprocity and recognition? Isn't reciprocity a formal agreement, and recognition informal? Wouldn't that make the exclusion cited in 39-17-1351®(3)©(ii) only apply for issuing states with the formal agreement (which Georgia has)? If so, wouldn't anyone from a recognized state fall under the 30 hours rule?

[Fallguy]

What's the difference between reciprocity and recognition? Isn't reciprocity a formal agreement, and recognition informal?

Correct

Wouldn't that make the exclusion cited in 39-17-1351®(3)©(ii) only apply for issuing states with the formal agreement (which Georgia has)?

Right again

If so, wouldn't anyone from a recognized state fall under the 30 hours rule?

Well that is the question....the text of the law says "reciprocity agreement" not just recognition.

But at the time the law was first written there was no general recognition by TN.

IMO since TN now honors any other states permit, whether there is a formal agreement or not shouldn't matter, but it seems the DOS keeps pointing the other out and the possible need for a TN permit by those from out of state.

There was even a bit of a problem last year between TN and VA because of this and a short time that VA did not honor TN permits.

[Guest sandmanfvr]

Oh, okay, I see.

That's TN's take on metal piercing and "cop killer" bullets.

An additional charge if used in a handgun crime. The "infamous" Black Talon bullets have a polymer coating of some kind.I didn't know this was still on the books somewhere. It's not in the weapons statutes, though, so not sure where it is tucked, because it's not in any of the statutes mentioned as far as I can see:

"(SOURCES: Tennessee Code § 39-11-106, §§ 39-17-1301 to 39-17-1323, § 39 17-1351, § 39-17 1357, § 39-17-1359, § 62-35-118, § 70-4-123)"

I suspect it may even have been repealed, but don't know for sure.

Notice that none of this is definition of a hollowpoint bullet. Note also, that you may fire any type bullet for practice, or even to defend your life, but probably best not to be using an armor piercing one to do it with.

- OS

Yeah, there is no hollow point info in there, I don't know why the hell I thought I read that. Hate when I do that. Thanks.

My GA license, like posted here, is fine in TN and I am glad.