post office

[Erik88]

I'm heading to the post office later and I was wondering if we can carry there?

It's not a courthouse but it's still govt so I wasn't sure.

Thanks!

[knoxrocks222]

no sir you may not its federal property.........unless your a criminal, they get to carry everywhere

[Mike.357]

Don't do it Erik. And if you do be doubly discrete.

[Erik88]

that's too bad. thank you though!

[Guest jackdm3]

Axl Foley: "I'm going deep, deep ... DEEP undercover!"

[Volzfan]

I believe that you are not even supposed to have it in your car on their property. Can someone confirm if this is right or wrong?

[Mike.357]

Volzfan I believe you are correct

[Steelharp]

The guy that works my window carries; he knows I do... we wink and nod...

[Oh Shoot]

The penalty for a 2.5" blade knife is same for a gun.

- OS

[Links2k]

Wow, I never thought about it. I just go in, conduct my business and leave. I never thought that I was violating the law. I guess that I am too comfortable carrying. I know that the weapon is there and I am aware of my surroundings, but when I am moving about I never put very much thought into where I can carry.

[Volzfan]

As long as you are very well concealed then you can get by with being unaware of where you can't carry. More than likely you will never be found out. Good luck.

[jaysouth]

I have seen threads this subject that run pro and con and go on for dozens of pages. No official spokesman for USPS will discuss the matter pro or con with a member of the public. Nor will they discuss whether a licensed permitee has ever been arrested in a PO for carry. There is also no uniform signage issued to local branches for posting.

There is a popular belief that part e exempts concealed carriers if carry in the Post Office is not specifically enumerated by the laws of a particular state. For example, Arkansas STATE law prohibits carrying a weapon, openly or concealed in a post office. Many states have not prohibited carrying of weapons in post offices in their statutes.

If someone has a lot of money for a test case, I would be interested.

[Guest db99wj]

I didn't think you could, just because of the whole federal building thing, no idea about parking lot, leaving it in, or when you drive through and dump letters. I typically don't go, I go to kroger and buy stamps.

[JayC]

Yeah, I'm not sure the parking lot if covered... I think it's only Federal Buildings... I could be wrong.

[Guest crotalus01]

In our HCP class they specifically said its a no-go to even have it in the parking lot, even if just dropping mail in the driveup mailbox. Personally I dont worry about it that much, although I usually leave it in the car if I have to go in for anything.

[Sidinman]

The one on north Parway in Jackson has a metal detector to go through as soon as you walk through the door.

[Volzfan]

This is from a thread here on TGO that Fallguy posted 8/27/2008. This is where I got the information about having a weapon on PO property (parking lot).

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/handgun-carry-self-defense/11352-updated-info-post-office-carry.html

39 CFR 232.1 - Conduct on postal property. - Code of Federal Regulations - Title 39: Postal Service - vLex

Title 39 - Postal Service

Chapter I - United States Postal Service

Subchapter D - Organization and Administration

Part 232 - Conduct on Postal Property

232.1 - Conduct on Postal Property.

Paragraph L

(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

[Guest Todd@CIS]

Just for discussions sake...

§ 930. — *Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities. - US § 930. — *Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities. - US Code :: Justia

Subsection (A) and (D)3

[Oh Shoot]

18 U.S.C. § 930 : US Code - Section 930:

Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly

possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous

weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility),

or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned

not more than 1 year, or both.

( Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon

be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes

to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal

facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or

imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

© A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of

subsection (a) or (, or in the course of an attack on a Federal

facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon,

or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as

provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.

(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to -

(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer,

agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political

subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or

supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or

prosecution of any violation of law;

(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a

Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such

possession is authorized by law; or

(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons

in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful

purposes.

(e)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly

possesses or causes to be present a firearm in a Federal court

facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title,

imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described

in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).

(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the

United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or

orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of

weapons within any building housing such court or any of its

proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.

(g) As used in this section:

(1) The term "Federal facility" means a building or part

thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal

employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing

their official duties.

(2) The term "dangerous weapon" means a weapon, device,

instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is

used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious

bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket

knife with a blade of less than 2 1/2 inches in length.

(3) The term "Federal court facility" means the courtroom,

judges' chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms,

attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the

court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States

marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of

any court of the United States.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and ( shall be

posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal

facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted

conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court

facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under

subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such

notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had

actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

- OS

[Guest Todd@CIS]

18 U.S.C. § 930 : US Code - Section 930:

Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly

possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous

weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility),

or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned

not more than 1 year, or both.

( Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon

be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes

to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal

facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or

imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

© A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of

subsection (a) or (, or in the course of an attack on a Federal

facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon,

or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as

provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.

(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to -

(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer,

agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political

subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or

supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or

prosecution of any violation of law;

(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a

Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such

possession is authorized by law; or

(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons

in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful

purposes.

(e)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly

possesses or causes to be present a firearm in a Federal court

facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title,

imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described

in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).

(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the

United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or

orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of

weapons within any building housing such court or any of its

proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.

(g) As used in this section:

(1) The term "Federal facility" means a building or part

thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal

employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing

their official duties.

(2) The term "dangerous weapon" means a weapon, device,

instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is

used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious

bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket

knife with a blade of less than 2 1/2 inches in length.

(3) The term "Federal court facility" means the courtroom,

judges' chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms,

attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the

court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States

marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of

any court of the United States.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and ( shall be

posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal

facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted

conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court

facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under

subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such

notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had

actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

- OS

Easier to read...thanks OhShoot.

[Raoul]

(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons

in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful

purposes.

So the never answered question is...how does other lawful purposes relate to a person who lawfully possesses an HCP?

[Oh Shoot]

(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons

in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful

purposes.

So the never answered question is...how does other lawful purposes relate to a person who lawfully possesses an HCP?

Has been debated much.

Never heard of it being tested in court.

Guess it never has, or would now be part of gun law history and widely known.

Note that carrying a 2.5" knife is treated the same as carrying a firearm, and of course your HCP does not give you a "knife exemption" of any kind.

- OS

[Oh Shoot]

The one on north Parway in Jackson has a metal detector to go through as soon as you walk through the door.

Wouldn't most everyone set it off, what with keys and (many illegal) pocketknives, and whatnot?

- OS

[MikeW]

If someone has a lots of time for a test case, that would be interesting.

Where is Kwik when we need him

[JeffsSig]

Hummmmm