Sheets-o-Truth

[Kelemvor]

Found this experiment this guy did over at Arfcom with steel plates and a variety of pistol rounds. I found it very enlightening.

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[TripleDigitRide]

I've almost considered a .357SIG as a primary carry weapon.

[Kelemvor]

I think it's a cool round, I'd like an smg chambered in it or something. I've read that it has a really bright muzzle flash, though, which would be bad for night firing.

[Hgunner]

The .357 Sig is a good round, however there are a few flaws in his testing.

He should have tried to standardize barrel length. The .357 and 9mm got 6"

barrels and the .45 a 4.41" barrel. I really don't think the results would have

been any different. I was suprised by the performace of the 9mm out of a

6" barrel. I would have thought it would have gone thru all 3 plates.

However I will continue to stick with a 5" .45acp.

[Magiccarpetrides]

Big problem with this test.....penetrating steel is all about velocity...kind of like when people are comparing 5.56 ammo....it really doesnt surprise me...the 357sig is a good round but you are not going to convince me that a 124gr +p 9mm is superior to a 165 or 230gr 45acp...unless your opponent is wearing steel plates lol.

[KOM2]

I agree about the barrel lengths not being accounted for. Cool test anyway!

[molonlabetn]

Big problem with this test.....penetrating steel is all about velocity...kind of like when people are comparing 5.56 ammo....it really doesnt surprise me...the 357sig is a good round but you are not going to convince me that a 124gr +p 9mm is superior to a 165 or 230gr 45acp...unless your opponent is wearing steel plates lol.

...or inside a car doing a drive-by on you.

[Farman]

Just seeing the penetration depth and shockwave pics shows me it wouldn't be fun to get hit by any one of them.

[Guest tlondon]

Just seeing the penetration depth and shockwave pics shows me it wouldn't be fun to get hit by any one of them.

+1

[mikegideon]

The .357 Sig is a good round, however there are a few flaws in his testing.

He should have tried to standardize barrel length. The .357 and 9mm got 6"

barrels and the .45 a 4.41" barrel. I really don't think the results would have

been any different. I was suprised by the performace of the 9mm out of a

6" barrel. I would have thought it would have gone thru all 3 plates.

However I will continue to stick with a 5" .45acp.

Yep, most pistol rounds work better with a 6" barrel (and even better in a rifle). I agree with you on the 5" .45, but my 1911 gov is pretty long. I'll never get rid of it, but the next purchase on my list is a 4" 1911.

I prefer carrying one of my 9's, but have much more confidence in the .45. Trying to find the best of both worlds, even if it costs me a little muzzle velocity.

[Magiccarpetrides]

...or inside a car doing a drive-by on you.

Check out www.theboxotruth.com 45 does just fine on standard car doors

[Guest Danne941]

I wish he would have used my favorite pistol round. 10mm.

[Magiccarpetrides]

I wish he would have used my favorite pistol round. 10mm.

Well he didnt do that for obvious reasons...there wouldnt be enough of the car left to shoot

[mikegideon]

Check out www.theboxotruth.com 45 does just fine on standard car doors

From what I've read, it works pretty good on the thugotruth as well.

[JAB]

Just seeing the penetration depth and shockwave pics shows me it wouldn't be fun to get hit by any one of them.

+1

+2

The 'possibility' of being attacked by a male silverback gorilla on crack aside, I figure that if an assailant keeps coming after being hit a couple of times with a 9mm then he probably won't be stopped by a .40, .45 or anything else short of a long gun. Heck, for most instances I'd say that an assailant that will keep coming instead of altering his behavior after being hit a couple times with a .38 Special or even the 'lowly' .380 probably has enough adrenaline/drugs/both in his system to still have time do damage no matter what handgun round he is shot with.