How can a G18 be transferable?

[DaveTN]

Just curious. There is a U-tube video of a guy shooting at G18 at Knob Creek.

Unless he is a cop shooting a department weapon, how can he legally have this?

[Reservoir Dog]

FFL/SOT holders can possess a G18 (or other non-transferable MGs) if they have a demo letter from a law enforcement agency.

[Guest TwoLaneBlackTop]

Or you can be a type 2 SOT holder and convert any Glock you want to full auto without the need of a demo letter.

[Guest jwp]

...and there are about half a dozen 'civilian' legal versions floating around.

[Guest TwoLaneBlackTop]

...and there are about half a dozen 'civilian' legal versions floating around.

There are not any "fully" transferable full auto Glocks to my knowledge.

The Glock 18 was not made until 1986, so in theory as it is a foreign made machine-gun one could have made and imported before the May 86 deadline and been papered as a pre-86 dealers sample. Foreign manufactured machine guns as defined in the 1968 GCA made and papered after the 1968 deadline are for SOT holders only. The cool thing about the pre-86 samples are an SOT holder can keep them after giving up their SOT license. On post 86 guns you have to get rid of them. But I doubt there are any keeper samples of the Glock 18 out there.

As far as conversions, I doubt that as well. Glock did not have ATF approval to sell their Glock 17 in the states until January 1986 so it's a narrow window for this to have been a possibility.

I have never seen a fully transferable Glock listed for sell anywhere, it could exist but the chances are slim to none.

[DaveTN]

...and there are about half a dozen 'civilian' legal versions floating around.

Well… that’s my question. Educate me as to how that could happen.

[molonlabetn]

There are transferrable slide endplates which allow full-auto function.

[Guest Todd@CIS]

I'm ignorant on this as well. What about those back-plate, full-auto conversions that basically turn a G17 into a G18 in about 30 seconds? Would those be "tax-stampable?"

BTW, just wanted to be a dick and add that I have a G18 sitting in my safe...

[Guest TwoLaneBlackTop]

I am not aware of any "fully transferable" Glock. If there was one it would have to be a conversion. But based on the release date of the pistol and the time it would take an SOT to test and develop a successful full auto conversion it seems unlikely. The sear trip selectors that take the place of the back-plate are going to fall under the same restrictions as a Glock 18 as the ATF regards machine-gun conversion parts like the Glock add on the same way it does other machine-gun conversion parts like the DIAS, Lightning link, Uzi Slotted Bolt, or M2 carbine trigger group in that they are machine-guns themselves. I doubt any of the end-cap selector sear trips were made and registered as civilian transferable before the 86 ban..... So in short a full auto Glock is going to be a Post-86 dealer sample only, no SOT no full auto Glock.

[Guest jwp]

There are not any "fully" transferable full auto Glocks to my knowledge.

They are out there. Not many, but some.

[Guest TwoLaneBlackTop]

They are out there. Not many, but some.

Please reference an example, I would like to see a scan or a link to one for sell. I am skeptical as this has came up on subguns.com before a generally the consensus is there are not any.

[Magiccarpetrides]

JWP isnt just talkin sh*t...if he says something he knows whats hes talking about...someone asked the question and he answered....sometimes you guys are overly critical.

[Guest TwoLaneBlackTop]

If they do exist they will be conversion guns as the real Glock 18 would not have been available to civilians before 86 as it was an imported machine gun. So a real transferable Glock 18 will not be possible, so that means the only full auto Glocks will be conversion guns.

I have heard others say there were a few but no one can directly remember seeing one or has ever seen an add placed for one be it in a printed publication or on the internet. It was always the same situation, they heard about them from someone else and thus I considered such to be a rumor and will until I have seen otherwise.

Even if such did exist the rarity would drive the cost in excess of 30K, do you really want to spend that much on a full auto Glock?

[Jasongar8]

FWIW, I follow NFA pretty close and I personally have never seen a transferable Glock 18 or transferable conversion in person or come up for sale. And everytime it is brought up on NFA forums the gereral consensus is that there are none. And this is not comming from Joe blow computer geek, it is from guys that have been in machine gun/NFA business longer than I have been alive. So when they say somthing I take their word for it. Now I am not going to say with 100% that there is no way that there couldnt be one that slipped in or used a Mac serial number to register a Glock or some funny business like that because I have heard that going on with some other types of guns (M249). I know there a a few transferable Beretta 93 machine pistols out there but they are $$$$$.

All and all the NFA registry is so screwed up that we will never know what is truly on it. Hell even BATFE admits they cant even keep up with it.

[DaveTN]

JWP isnt just talkin sh*t...if he says something he knows whats hes talking about...someone asked the question and he answered....sometimes you guys are overly critical.

I asked the question. I even ask him twice. I don’t care how many are out there I simply ask him to educate me as how this could be legal after he posted it was. He has offered nothing to the thread yet. So… so far he’s just talkin’ sh*t.

[Guest jwp]

Please reference an example, I would like to see a scan or a link to one for sell. I am skeptical as this has came up on subguns.com before a generally the consensus is there are not any.

Glock imported? I don't think so. But transferable.

For what it's worth though, most "transferable" machine guns were not imported as such.

You can dig around on Bowers' site a little. I'm sure you'll find more info.

[Guest jwp]

Please reference an example, I would like to see a scan or a link to one for sell. I am skeptical as this has came up on subguns.com before a generally the consensus is there are not any.

I asked the question. I even ask him twice. I don’t care how many are out there I simply ask him to educate me as how this could be legal after he posted it was. He has offered nothing to the thread yet. So… so far he’s just talkin’ sh*t.

Sorry. I was coloring.

[molonlabetn]

I have heard from several people (take hearsay for what it's worth) that there are a handful of transferrable G18s in the US, all but one of them are in the hands of agencies in the Northwest who won't give them up for sale... and the other has been in the hands of an investor since importation.

FWIW