Lincoln Davis

[robin48]

Remember this one thing. At this juncture in history, you can’t live with a "conservative democrat". The reason is that the physical makeup of congress is determined by a simple democrat or republican majority. That means that one democrat or one republican can shift the whole complexion of congress. That's why votes mean things. The reelection Lincoln Davis and other "conservative or blue dog democrats" has allowed Nancy Pelosi to become the Speaker of the House. The Speaker controls the political agenda for the House. That's why you have what you have now.

Lots of people are repulsed by what they perceive as "bitterly partisan' politics. It’s a bad idea to adopt the "why don’t we all just get along" philosophy because of what I am opining about now. Politics, at its core, is a winner takes all proposition. The Demorats are demonstrating to the country and their political enemies (...and they do see us as the enemy...) just how this works. Modern Republicans have for the past few congressional sessions, been far too kind and reasonable for their own good. This kindness all culminated in the running of a weak RINO Republican -- John McCain (... who I happen to like on a personal basis; not a political one...) against a demorat unknown-- Barak Obama--; who whipped the Clintons with the help of the Kennedy dynasty (... now, thankfully laid in the grave...). That election has given us the most heinous bunch of socialist idiots at the helm of this country that we have seen to date in this country’s political history; and the most corrupt bunch of trash that has occupied congress and the white house since post civil war reconstruction.

The moral of this little rant: A vote for a “conservative democrat†is a vote for what you have at the top now. Folks need to look way passed the qualifications, pronouncements, and personalities of the people who hold themselves up to be something that that at this point in history; a myth. That is: a “conservative democrat†for the reasons listed above. Elections have stupendous consequences.

Food for thought

Kind regards,

Leroy

I agree wholeheartedly. Any democrat is a dangerous choice for those who love their independence and freedom.

[Bloodbought1]

My daughter was in Washington,D.C. recently and discussed health care with Lincoln Davis. He stated that he wanted to vote for the health care bill...but the people did not want it so he didn't....in light of that statement I will not vote for him.

[Guest Phantom6]

there is basically no difference between the two parties. There is a lot of lip service from repub's wanting you to believe they are different.

It was very easy for every republican to vote no on the health care train wreck. The no votes made absolutely no difference at all.

I beg to disagree with your statement regarding the "no votes" Mike. The no votes made a great difference, not in the outcome of the legislation but rather in the mobilization and galvination of the American people. We could see that coming in the Town Hall Meetings and the Libtard Democratic response to the reactions found there. Most notable was the remark of the Democratic Congressman (the fool's name escapes me now) who made the ignorant statement, "I don't care what the Constitution says" and then demonstrated his further ignorance by quoting the Declaration of Independance regarding "Life, liberty and the persuit of happines" and attributing it to the U.S. Constitution.

I have never seriously had this next thought before but a vote for anything other than a republican candidate in the next two years is, in my opinion a fool-hardy act and guaranteed to split viable opposition to the extreme liberal/socio-fascist group that has hijacked the Democratic party. Though I work with the Anderson County Republican Party I am really more of a libertarian. Until the Libertarian Party can field viable, less fringe candidates for office I am forced to work to elect Republicans. In this year’s mid-term elections and in the crucial Presidential election of 2012 the American people cannot allow themselves to be fractured. If they do it is quite possible that we are living in the last years of the republic. If the polls are to be believed, the largest percentage of the American people are against what this libtard Democratic Legislative and Executive branches have perpetrated against our people and as a result the entire nation.

The Libtard Democrats are hee-hawing over the growth of the Tea Party thinking that they are going to have another Perot type split. I agree with the Tea Party ideals but hope it never coalesces into a real party. If it does, we are doomed. Not by the ideals of the Tea Party but by the inability to present a united front against the socio-fascist, one world government libtards. The recent primary elections in Utah are a great example of the way the Tea Party can work to subdue the socio-fascist python that threatens to strangle the American eagle. A Tea Party backed Republican candidate boots the Republican incumbent out of the race. And so it begins.

Are Republicans perfect? To believe so would be foolish but If we take the reins of this workhorse called government and remind it that the power flows from the people to the government rather than the other way around as the current administration would have you believe, we may be able to effectively control those we elect and make a course adjustment that will allow our republic to survive another 250 years. We simply can not let the complacency set in that has taken our eye off the ball so many times in the past. Otherwise, the Shumer will certainly at some time hit the fan and we’ll all be headed for our Bug Out Locations that we’ve been discussing in the survival forum, preparing to survive the crash of the government and then to fight off the UN backed opportunists that would look to rule this nation. I fear no man but I fear this scenario for my family, friends and my country.

[Mike.357]

Nicely put Phantom.

My no vote comment was strictly aimed the outcome of the vote on the legislation.

The repubs would have been foolhardy to vote for it even if they really did want it.

I did see yesterday on the news that a Tea Party guy defeated a standing republican senator in Utah in their version of a primary.

[Oh Shoot]

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I have never seriously had this next thought before but a vote for anything other than a republican candidate in the next two years is, in my opinion a fool-hardy act and guaranteed to split viable opposition to the extreme liberal/socio-fascist group that has hijacked the Democratic party. ..

Maybe, but the downside is this just keeps electing Republicans.

The GOP will never again be anywhere as conservative as the Reagan years, and even that should have only been a first stepping stone to becoming the Libertarian ideal that the Tea Party seeks.

- OS

[Guest Phantom6]

Maybe, but the downside is this just keeps electing Republicans.

True but not nearly as down the downside as spliting the vote and keeping on keeping on with the disaster we have destroying this country now.

The GOP will never again be anywhere as conservative as the Reagan years, and even that should have only been a first stepping stone to becoming the Libertarian ideal that the Tea Party seeks.

- OS

I wouldn't be so sure that the Tea Party is as much Libertarian as it is more strictly conservative. The GOP can certainly be as conservative as it was in the Reagan era. If we kept the party true to it's Reagan ideals maybe we could some day move closer to the libertarian notion of government.

[Guest Phantom6]

To clarify, IMHO there is no doubt that most Americans want to stay more toward strict Constitutional government. The Libertarian party espouses the following:

1. · Substantially reducing the size and intrusiveness of government and cut all taxes.
   
2. · Letting peaceful, honest people offer their goods and services to willing consumers without a hassle from government.
   
3. · Letting peaceful, honest people decide for themselves what to eat, drink, read, or smoke and how to dress, medicate themselves, or make love, without fear of criminal penalties.
   
4. · Ensuring that the U.S. government defends Americans and their property in America while letting the U.S. taxpayer off the hook for the defense bill of countries like Germany, Japan, South Korea and others where we maintain large military contingents.
   

On their face most of these are certainly noble issues yet there are nuances in a variety of these planks of the Libertarian platform that would be unpalatable to many conservatives which seem to make up the majority of the voting public. Things like gay marriage, unbridled drug freedom come to mind first. Also on the final point, most Americans feel that these are tied into other responsibilities and agreements that we have around the globe that must be maintained in order to preserve our national defense.

Again, while the Tea Party movement does lean Libertarian I would consider them to be more conservative than strict Constitutionalists. That’s why they have attracted both Republicans and Democrats as well as Libertarians and even normally apolitical individuals.

Once we regain control of our government we can discuss and work through compromises (don't tell Suntzu I used that word- "compromise") which would bring government back to more of a Constitutional government as our founders envisioned.

[Guest SUNTZU]

To clarify, IMHO there is no doubt that most Americans want to stay more toward strict Constitutional government. The Libertarian party espouses the following:

1. · Substantially reducing the size and intrusiveness of government and cut all taxes.
   
2. · Letting peaceful, honest people offer their goods and services to willing consumers without a hassle from government.
   
3. · Letting peaceful, honest people decide for themselves what to eat, drink, read, or smoke and how to dress, medicate themselves, or make love, without fear of criminal penalties.
   
4. · Ensuring that the U.S. government defends Americans and their property in America while letting the U.S. taxpayer off the hook for the defense bill of countries like Germany, Japan, South Korea and others where we maintain large military contingents.
   

On their face most of these are certainly noble issues yet there are nuances in a variety of these planks of the Libertarian platform that would be unpalatable to many conservatives which seem to make up the majority of the voting public. Things like gay marriage, unbridled drug freedom come to mind first. Also on the final point, most Americans feel that these are tied into other responsibilities and agreements that we have around the globe that must be maintained in order to preserve our national defense.

Again, while the Tea Party movement does lean Libertarian I would consider them to be more conservative than strict Constitutionalists. That’s why they have attracted both Republicans and Democrats as well as Libertarians and even normally apolitical individuals.

Once we regain control of our government we can discuss and work through compromises (don't tell Suntzu I used that word- "compromise") which would bring government back to more of a Constitutional government as our founders envisioned.

Just don't let whichever elite (Duke, Earl, or Viscount of TN?) that you support compromise on RKBA. Reaching across the aisle has worked so well in the past, hasn't it? See if you can get them to wear a NASCAR uniform so we know who is actually running things, as well. I can tell the Democrats by the hammer and sickle. Its the quisling Republicans that are slippery and slime covered and are wanting to associate their various campaigns with the Tea Party movement that I tend to shy away from.

Most Republicans currently serving seem to be interested in preserving their roles in government by baby kissing and glad handing for the cameras. DTOM flags don't cost much but can boost a campaign score in the polls, they've discovered. Trust is out the window. If you can get a Republican to sit down and go over some points with me, tell me the time and place and I'll be there. Right now I feel like one of those poor bastards on the Arizona back in 1941.

"PUT ON THE GLASSES!!!!"

[StPatrick]

To clarify, IMHO there is no doubt that most Americans want to stay more toward strict Constitutional government. The Libertarian party espouses the following:

1. · Substantially reducing the size and intrusiveness of government and cut all taxes.
   
2. · Letting peaceful, honest people offer their goods and services to willing consumers without a hassle from government.
   
3. · Letting peaceful, honest people decide for themselves what to eat, drink, read, or smoke and how to dress, medicate themselves, or make love, without fear of criminal penalties.
   
4. · Ensuring that the U.S. government defends Americans and their property in America while letting the U.S. taxpayer off the hook for the defense bill of countries like Germany, Japan, South Korea and others where we maintain large military contingents.
   

On their face most of these are certainly noble issues yet there are nuances in a variety of these planks of the Libertarian platform that would be unpalatable to many conservatives which seem to make up the majority of the voting public. Things like gay marriage, unbridled drug freedom come to mind first. Also on the final point, most Americans feel that these are tied into other responsibilities and agreements that we have around the globe that must be maintained in order to preserve our national defense.

Again, while the Tea Party movement does lean Libertarian I would consider them to be more conservative than strict Constitutionalists. That’s why they have attracted both Republicans and Democrats as well as Libertarians and even normally apolitical individuals.

Once we regain control of our government we can discuss and work through compromises (don't tell Suntzu I used that word- "compromise") which would bring government back to more of a Constitutional government as our founders envisioned.

I agree with the libertarians on many issues, but as a political movement they're very difficult to support. Their message of individual freedom and self-reliance is as American as apple pie. Unfortunately, their voting base, as we've seen from the folks who coalesced behind Congressman Paul in '08, is focused on issues that don't move the American electorate. Until the libertarian party as a whole moves beyond their primary issues of the gold standard, legal marijuana, and a non-interventionist foreign policy, I'll continue to believe they're tilting at windmills.

I'm no fan of the republican party, but you have to start somewhere. At this point, I believe that any vote cast for a 3rd party is an unintended vote for the current House and Senate leadership, whom I cannot support and wish to see sent home crying. Madame Pelosi and Sen. Reid (actually Dick Durbin or Chuckles Schumer will be taking his place, hopefully, since Harry is about to be unemployed) need to be removed if only to prevent our President from following through on his agenda of national transformation.

As I said, I agree with much of the libertarian platform, but voting for them anytime soon is a vote against telling our Commander in Chief to "keep the change".

[Guest tnrider]

The only smart and simplist course is to rid ourselves of the obamaites and then start to whip the GOP into shape by getting rid of the rif raf there.

[Oh Shoot]

The only smart and simplist course is to rid ourselves of the obamaites and then start to whip the GOP into shape by getting rid of the rif raf there.

My guess is you'll still be singing that tune in 2022, after 8 years of GOP reign due to current backlash, and the first 2 years of the next Democrat majority elected in backlash of that.

Same ole. The overall game doesn't change, the house always wins.

- OS

[Guest tnrider]

Yeah. Guess you are right. Maybe just a work in progress. Don't know how the heck else we can do anything. The one thing I don't want to see is for this admin. to keep taking my country down the road they have it going now. You got any better ideas OS?

[Oh Shoot]

Yeah. Guess you are right. Maybe just a work in progress. Don't know how the heck else we can do anything. The one thing I don't want to see is for this admin. to keep taking my country down the road they have it going now. You got any better ideas OS?

Regrettably, I do not.

And I'm often criticized for having a negative view with no real suggestion for positive change.

I find the Tea Party movement refreshing and dare I say, a slightly optimistic sign, but I see no way they can "reform" the GOP, which is what it seems it mostly seems to want to do.

I actually think it would have a better chance to actually change things by becoming a party in and of itself, or maybe even more effectively, due to existing organization/communication, to ally with Libertarian or Constitution party and change IT to suit. Supporting independents has always been a losing cause, simply because of financial backing, and I see no significant change in that.

I just see no way that the GOP won't dilute over time any effort to really make it as conservative as needs to be to change anything. The corruption simply runs too deep. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" and all that. And of course the Dems, well....

My estimation is that America will continue an ongoing decline, lowering the quality of life for all but the top 10% or so, and real change will come only after the pain of a near catastrophic number of years that affects all within, including that top strata.

Aren't you glad you asked?

- OS

[Guest tnrider]

Actually I agree with you. And unfortunately I do not see enough realization from enough of the obama believers and dems as to what is really going on and where we are headed. Seems like if I listen closely I can hear the sucking sound as the water circles around the drain. It does not seem that a disaster is too far in the future. What feels worse to me is that it is like listening to the weather reports about a storm headed your way. Not really anything you can do about it but wait, ride it out and hope for the best. I certainly will be voting and watching as closely as I can. I realize that putting any faith in the gop is a losing idea. And while I consider myself an independent I am also very skeptical of third party ideas. Mainly as others have stated, the lack of financing and taking votes away from what I might consider the lesser of the two evils in the other parties.

All that being said, I do agree and I will do my best to remove as many dems as possible in the coming elections. First get obama out of office and try to undo some of the damage he is causing. Second to send a message not just to them but also to the gop that I am watching. I can only hope that the gop will realize that it is not just the dems that are being watched.

I have had enough of the professional politicians. I would prefer to send the whole d--n bunch packing and start over. Not likely to happen. I just want it to be OK to hope that we can take our country back from the politicians and the ilk who are financing them.

[StPatrick]

I think the recent economic troubles in Greece provide an opportunity for the Tea Partiers and the Republican Party (if they choose to listen - I know Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, and others are paying attention). For the last couple of years, the right in general has been arguing that the democrats have been leading the country on a path of European-style social welfare and statism. With the collapse of Greece, along with the impending collapse of the other PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece as mentioned, and Spain), the American public has a vivid and graphic example of what the future holds. Even our MFM can't hide what's happening over there. If the right is willing to show what our potential future holds, there's room for quite a bit of electoral movement*.

*Until social security or medicare come up, of course. Then our pols see their shadows and vote for six more years of the status quo.

[Oh Shoot]

... Even our MFM can't hide what's happening over there.... .

What is MFM?

- OS

[TomR]

The so called "blue dog democrats" like Lincoln Davis simply can't be trusted to reflect the views of their constituents. In most cases, their first loyalty is to the democrat party. The democrat majorities in Congress have to go. We cannot leave the the democrats in control of the the House and Senate. They need to be replaced by true conservatives not RINO republicans like McCain and Graham. The Tea Partiers are already moving the republican party to the right. Don't get me wrong. I don't like the republican party any better than the democrats. If it wasn't for Bush and the republican controlled congress, we wouldn't have Obama and the Pelosi/Reid congress today. However, history suggests that a conservative third party that splits the republican vote would likely leave the democrats in power. I think it makes more sense for the Tea Partiers to work within the republican party to promote conservative candidates for congress and at the state level. If progressives could take over the democrat party, conservatives can take over the republican party and begin to undo the damage to our country caused by Obama, Pelosi and Reid.