Nashville area malls

[Guest pws_smokeyjones]

If it does not make the sheeple feel safer then why do people waste the money to have them? Whats the point of it?

one word - Liability

the malls don't care if people are safe or not otherwise the handful of security guards that they employee would carry more than a flashlight and a radio. They only care about two things - insurance rates and winning in court.

[Mike.357]

They only care about two things - insurance rates and winning in court.

So lets say I go to a mall that is posted with correct signage to not have a firearm. I start popping off rounds inside, killing wounding, or even totally missing everyone I shoot at. Am I going to get charged with possessing the gun there? I doubt it. More likely the lesser charge such as these would be ignored in lieu of more serious charges such as attempted murder or whatnot.

And I do believe such signage makes the soccor moms feel safer, after all it is for the children.

[Guest pws_smokeyjones]

So lets say I go to a mall that is posted with correct signage to not have a firearm. I start popping off rounds inside, killing wounding, or even totally missing everyone I shoot at. Am I going to get charged with possessing the gun there? I doubt it. More likely the lesser charge such as these would be ignored in lieu of more serious charges such as attempted murder or whatnot.

And I do believe such signage makes the soccor moms feel safer, after all it is for the children.

In that case my comment still stands. The Mall lawyers would be able to explain to the Mall insurance company that the Mall put up a sign saying you could not carry a gun in their building. All of the liability would be on you and not the Mall which is exactly what they would prefer. I don't think they could care less if you were charged criminally or not just so long as the heat was on you and not on them.

[DaveTN]

one word - Liability

You are dead on.

[Guest SUNTZU]

: A lot of times the signs are required on the building plans drawn up by certain architectural firms. Different firms have different leanings towards safety issues, and also what the corporations safety director(s) require in pre-construction planning and ongoing operations.

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[Guest tcampbell]

I have often suspected the same thing. A place I onced worked suddenly

posted "no forearms" sounds around the plant. The HR guy was a friend and taught

Permit classes at the time. When I asked him about it, he siad it was purly a money thing. It lowered their insurance preimiums. His view it was the same as having the non-skid mats at all entrances. Un-officially his view was "concealed" is the biggest part of the "Concealed Weapons Permit". So it was basically a non-issue.

All the more reason to lobby for something to protect employers from lawsuits

resulting from a permit holder using their weapon to protect themselves.

hmmmm....no forearms....I imagine you have to have your forearms surgically removed and your hands attached to your elbows ?

And the sounds ?...I've tried to make farting sounds with my forearms...can't do it.

hahhaha...sorry...couldn't resist

Edited February 13, 2008 by tcampbell

[Im Neero]

They actually did a study in the late 70s that said that injuries to the forearm accounted for some 85% of workman's comp cases. I could definitely see how such a policy would drastically lower insurance premiums.

Not sure what it has to do with "concealed weapons permits" though:confused:

[Guest Mugster]

Recently, I took an unloaded shotgun in a case down to the bass pro shop in opry mills to get a scope mount installed on it and buy some arrows. When going in the front door, they sent me to a counter ("is that a GUN"?), where this guy checked to make sure it was unloaded and installed a plastic thinga-ma-bob on the trigger to prevent it from being pulled. Also, the guy carried the shotgun back to the gun counter...and when i left, they carried it to the door before they gave it back to me.

I saw no signs at the bass pro outside entrance prohibiting carry, and i looked very carefully before i entered, both outside and inside the entrance before you go through the turnstyle. I've never been in the mall itself, so i don't know if that is posted.

[Cannon Fodder]

However, if they see you are carrying and ask you to leave they are in their right per TN law. Just say, "OK, but I will not shop here again" and depart.

Or would the dispatch the patrolling officers instead? Now I wonder how that conversation would go. "Officer, I know there are no gun signs posted at the doors but they are not legally binding because they are not worded correctly according to TCA code.".........

[Fallguy]

Or would the dispatch the patrolling officers instead? Now I wonder how that conversation would go. "Officer, I know there are no gun signs posted at the doors but they are not legally binding because they are not worded correctly according to TCA code.".........

There wouldn't be anything the patrolling officer could do since you have broken no law. About all he could do is make sure you understand that the property owner does not want you there while armed and if you return you could be charged with trespassing. Even then it would have to be the property owner to press the trespassing charge, not the officer.

[Guest tcampbell]

There wouldn't be anything the patrolling officer could do since you have broken no law. About all he could do is make sure you understand that the property owner does not want you there while armed and if you return you could be charged with trespassing. Even then it would have to be the property owner to press the trespassing charge, not the officer.

Only if you returned to the site armed. Keep it concealed and no one is going to say anything. Just don't carry in places that are properly posted according to TCA code. I carry the TCA code with me in my wallet...just in case. I hope I have have to use it...just like I hope I never have to use my gun except for target shootin. Taking a shotgun in someplace is a little different than carrying a handgun concealed, at least to me.

[Fallguy]

Only if you returned to the site armed.

Well Yes and No. It depends on what the property owner says. If they say they simply don't want you to be armed while on their property, you're right, you would only be trespassing if you came back armed. But they could say they do not want you back on their property period...then you would be trespassing by simply returning period. Of course I don't see too many property owners doing that unless there is some type of confrontation with them.

LOL...and you're right about the shotgun.

[Guest Steelharp]

I went to Rivergate yesterday, first time in a long time. They are now properly signed, all the correct language and everything. Prominently at every door. Didn't go there much anyway, obviously.

[-boatman-]

I have heard that Opry Mills is posted at the entrance near the Rainforest Cafe but I have never actually noticed any such sign on my visits to that mall.

I left there from that location last week and did not see any kind of sign. I called myself really looking and don't I missed anything but........

[Guest buckles1967]

I was at Cool Springs last night and did notice signs forbidding guns at the entrance I walked in through.