Healthcare bill

[Rightwinger]

I hear a flushing sound. Appears Freedom just took a swirly ride down the toilet. They have their votes in the rules. We are just hours away from being a totally different country.

Time to clean a few items.

[Guest jackdm3]

They're taking callers. One said the pre-existing clause will work soon, but others said it won't for 4 years. Anybody know?

[Jasongar8]

They're taking callers. One said the pre-existing clause will work soon, but others said it won't for 4 years. Anybody know?

Just said on the news it would start in 2014.

[Rightwinger]

What's it matter? Pre-existing clauses exist because your dealing with a "pool" of contributors and payments are made out of their premiums minus the insurance companies expenses to manage it and their profit margin for providing the service. When you accept policy holders that are automatically going to pull more money out than they will ever pay in you are operating at a loss from day one. Name a company (besides government) that takes on new contracts they know they will lose money on. It's a sad fact but you might as well outlaw death, you get the same results. Premiums are going up every year because we already pay for those without healthcare and people are so disconnected from health insurance that they don't understand it's flaws.

You couldn't afford car insurance either if they had plans that allowed you to pay a 20 dollar co-pay if you took your car to the dealer because it was running rough or you couldn't identify a squeak or squeal. How about 10 dollar co-pays for oilchanges and brake jobs. Nope, you understand that is maintenance your responsible for, so why not take care of a cold or a sprain yourself? You have a plan that let's you run down to the emergency room on the weekend for something you could either take care of yourself or wait till your private physician could see you but no.... Health Insurance is abused now! We allowed and caused it ourselves. To many levels of administration and bureaucracy across the board under current and definitly under the planned one for this to have any chance of success.

They are dooming private insurance with this mandate. That's what they want. Once private insurers go belly up their only alternative to all those they have forced to this new form of insurance will be single payer.

[eapking]

How long before the Feds start denying coverage on people who own guns? It's probably already in the bill.

[Oh Shoot]

Perhaps the GOP, who now says it has all these better idea for health insurance reform, should have done a little something about it during the 107th, 108th, 109th, and 110th Congresses, many sessions of which had a Republican majority in house and senate and all of which had a sitting GOP president.

You know, maybe a little of that and maybe a little of actually doing something about the Mexican invasion, instead of sitting around with Dubya pulling pud, and blowing our surplus on hammering and then rebuilding a country that wasn't even a threat.

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Didn't you just say that somewhere else?

[Guest GunTroll]

Perhaps the GOP, who now says it has all these better idea for health insurance reform, should have done a little something about it during the 107th, 108th, 109th, and 110th Congresses, many sessions of which had a Republican majority in house and senate and all of which had a sitting GOP president.

You know, maybe a little of that and maybe a little of actually doing something about the Mexican invasion, instead of sitting around with Dubya pulling pud, and blowing our surplus on hammering and then rebuilding a country that wasn't even a threat.

- OS

Don't hold back. Let it out man.....

[gregintenn]

They say they have the votes. If so, why not shut the $%$^ up and vote?!!??

[Oh Shoot]

Didn't you just say that somewhere else?

Hmm, looks like I posted this in two similar threads, sorry.

Getting on up there, you know.

- OS

[Mark@Sea]

A slim majority, using bribery, extortion, and unconstitutional tactics, are about to pass legislation overwhelmingly opposed by the citizens. This is, of course, Bush's fault.

That excuse, like accusations of racism, is threadbare, annoying, and extremely unhelpful to those who actually grasp the finer points of what I like to refer to as 'reality'.

With this vote, the democrat party declare their illegitimacy as representatives of the people.

[Guest davidz71]

Amen brother!

[Oh Shoot]

A slim majority, using bribery, extortion, and unconstitutional tactics, are about to pass legislation overwhelmingly opposed by the citizens. This is, of course, Bush's fault.

That excuse, like accusations of racism, is threadbare, annoying, and extremely unhelpful to those who actually grasp the finer points of what I like to refer to as 'reality'.

With this vote, the democrat party declare their illegitimacy as representatives of the people.

Yep, I agree.

But it couldn't happen if the opposition in this marvelous two party system worked for the good of The Republic, rather than primarily for its own aggrandizement.

- OS

[Wingshooter]

Right now, I only see the Republicans standing up for this crime against the people. The vast majority of the Democrats rolled over. This would pass even if every republican did not show up for the vote. Obama and the Dems own this mess.

The system is not perfect, but the Dems are severely out of touch.

[Guest clsutton21]

Hope you're watching.

C-SPAN Live Stream - C-SPAN

or on TV.

[Oh Shoot]

...The system is not perfect, but the Dems are severely out of touch.

Because the GOP has been equally out of touch, and for a good long while, otherwise it couldn't have happened.

People primarily vote their pocketbook, the 50% or so max that vote at all, that is.

It'll swing the other way over the next 2-8 years, with about the same results to the nation's vitality.

- OS

[Oh Shoot]

Hope you're watching.

C-SPAN Live Stream - C-SPAN

or on TV.

Yep, playing in one window, while flipping back and forth tween FOX and CNN on tube.

An historic (and sad) day.

Or, actually, just another one.

- OS

[Guest jackdm3]

I've been watching it straight for 6 hours. When you say "hope you're watching," I'm not sure what I can do for the cause:shrug:.

[gregintenn]

Whatever the outcome, the Democrats own this lock, stock, and barrel.

[Guest jackdm3]

They'll, individually, be disassociated from this when the fallout occurs. Denying it all in their rocking chairs.

[Guest redbarron06]

What is the state of TN doing to fight this? I know of at least 3 other states that are filing against this. One of the is being filed by the govenor himself.

[Guest archerdr1]

I just heard Rep. Phil Rowe from Kingsport on CSPAN say that they are filing to opt out of obamacare.

[Guest SUNTZU]

Roe said that 37 states are doing so, IIRC.

[gregintenn]

Can we opt out of the tax increases as well?

[Oh Shoot]

Can we opt out of the tax increases as well?

Sure.

The 16,000 new IRS agents are only being put into place to help you.

- OS