9mm Carbine shoot off reliability test

[gtssilver]

Ive never been a fan of the highpoint it just seems cheap to me.

I do have a Beretta cx4 storm in 9mm and its a blast to shoot!

[R1100R]

I bought a used Hi-Point Carbine 9mm with a red dot and 10 mags for 150.00. I have to say between my Son and I we have more fun with it together than the 10/22.

It is quite accurate with the cheap red dot at 50 yards. I like the looks of the new stock.

[Guest Broomhead]

You can pick up a new TS stock from HiPoint for around 40 or 50 bucks.

[Oh Shoot]

Ive never been a fan of the highpoint it just seems cheap to me....

We prefer the term "inexpensive".

- OS

[jess01999]

Great, I'll just wait until you get it really tricked out and then I'll buy it back from you!

HAHA..............can't do that.....this is my "fun" gun....I also added a laser/light combo.

[jess01999]

I've got a KelTec sub2k that takes Glock mags. I've only been able to shoot it during one trip but am very satisfied with its performance.

Norris watch out!!

[Kevo]

I owned a well used Kel-Tec Sub 2000 9mm Glock magazine model for a few months. Put around 300 flawless rounds through it using Glock factory and KCI magazines. Mostly Winchester white box, but I did shoot some 90, 115, 124 and 147 grain hollowpoints just to see what happened. I was able to wear out the torso of a silhouette target at 50 yards. The sights worked well for me at quick shots but were detrimental for "target" shooting. I was impressed by the Kel-Tec and plan on buying another one.

[Steelharp]

I like the Sub2k because it folds and hides so well, along with being accurate and reliable and using the Glock mags...

[Guest RangeMstr]

This new HiPoint stock set-up has a recoil absorbing stock with something akin to 3 shock absorbing encased springs making recoil about the same as a .22LR rifle.

Why did you even mention 9mm recoil when fired from a shoulder weapon? Surely reducing 9mm recoil was not a real concern....

So, I guess the HiPoint stock reduces the 9mm felt recoil down from barely noticeable to not noticeable at all.

[Reg]

I had a HiPoint 995 carbine for a while. It looked decent after I beadblasted and Duracoated the receiver, added an ATI stock plus a top rail and other accessories. It was fun to shoot but still a bit crude compared to others. Here is a photo I took when I sold it:

What I really like are the Marlin Camp 9's.

Edited March 8, 2010 by Reg

[JAB]

Why did you even mention 9mm recoil when fired from a shoulder weapon? Surely reducing 9mm recoil was not a real concern....

So, I guess the HiPoint stock reduces the 9mm felt recoil down from barely noticeable to not noticeable at all.

Believe it or not, 9mm can produce a nice little slap in the old-style stocked 995. Given how little 9mm recoils in a handgun, I was honestly surprised at the recoil in the carbine the first time I fired it. It certainly isn't anything uncomfortable but is much more noticeable that I would have thought. Of course, more folks complain about the old style stock stinging their cheek than about felt recoil in the shoulder.

Edited March 8, 2010 by JAB

[Mike.357]

I have never shot a gun that did not hve some recoil. The 995 has recoil but I don't think the springs on the butt of the carbine do much to absorb it.

I do not recall much differnence in recoil between the classic 995 and the TS995

[greenego]

You guys are making me want one of these.

[Moped]

I got a Hi-point in 9mm. Decent little carbine. PAIN IN THE ASS to tear down and clean. and the trigger isn't the best in the world. ONLY BUY HI-POINT MAGAZINES! All others are junk. I changed the stock out for an ATI like the one above. And like it much better.

All in all it was worth the $150 I paid for it, used.

[Oh Shoot]

...PAIN IN THE ASS to tear down and clean...

What is this "tear down" you speak of?

I spray/q-tip what I can around bolt, use BoreSnake on barrel, shot of CLP on rail area, ta da.

- OS

[Mike.357]

PAIN IN THE ASS to tear down and clean.

i stripped mine once, it is not the hardest gun I have ever stripped. But once done and back together I asked myself why did I do that, and I noted to not do it again.

[Auburn]

The HiPoint carbine is fun. Aftermarket stocks solve the "ugly" issue. Just DON'T buy ProMags for them!

[Oh Shoot]

The HiPoint carbine is fun. Aftermarket stocks solve the "ugly" issue.

Is there more than one?

- OS

[Guest RangeMstr]

Believe it or not, 9mm can produce a nice little slap in the old-style stocked 995. Given how little 9mm recoils in a handgun, I was honestly surprised at the recoil in the carbine the first time I fired it. It certainly isn't anything uncomfortable but is much more noticeable that I would have thought. Of course, more folks complain about the old style stock stinging their cheek than about felt recoil in the shoulder.

I don't want to flog a dead horse here, but a 9mm Parabellum cartridge produces the same kinetics regardless of what firearm it is fired in. The more mass (heavier) the firearm is, the less the felt recoil will be. It's just physics. A firing 9mm can only move so much mass in reaction to the projectile and once it's moved the weight of the weapon, the residual energy becomes felt recoil. So unless your "carbine" weighs less than your pistol, it is impossible for the recoil to be any more. If you really want to get technical, the felt recoil from a should fired weapon is spread out over a larger surface area (stock to shoulder vs. pistol grip to palm) than a pistol and that further reduces felt recoil.

[G27]

I don't want to flog a dead horse here, but a 9mm Parabellum cartridge produces the same kinetics regardless of what firearm it is fired in.

Definitely maybe...

Something you have to consider is that with a carbine, less of the propellant escapes before the bullet leaves the (longer) barrel, allowing greater force behind the bullet (thus the higher speeds recorded from pistol cartridges fired from carbines) which therefore increases the opposite reaction - recoil - proportionally.

[gotigers]

I shot a lot of rounds out of my Hipoint 995. It has recoil, but it is the lightest recoil i have ever shot. It is almost un-noticable.

the hipoint is a fun plinker. I sold mine because of FTF reloads and lack of hi cap mags. Mine would not shoot reloads.

[G27]

I shot a lot of rounds out of my Hipoint 995. It has recoil, but it is the lightest recoil i have ever shot. It is almost un-noticable.

the hipoint is a fun plinker. I sold mine because of FTF reloads and lack of hi cap mags. Mine would not shoot reloads.

I'd like to shoot one of those one day. I bought the Sub2ooo as it was available in .40 Glock magazine configuration and I'm WAY into caliber consolidation. I really like the rifle, but lots of folks like that 995, too.

[JAB]

I don't want to flog a dead horse here, but a 9mm Parabellum cartridge produces the same kinetics regardless of what firearm it is fired in. The more mass (heavier) the firearm is, the less the felt recoil will be. It's just physics. A firing 9mm can only move so much mass in reaction to the projectile and once it's moved the weight of the weapon, the residual energy becomes felt recoil. So unless your "carbine" weighs less than your pistol, it is impossible for the recoil to be any more. If you really want to get technical, the felt recoil from a should fired weapon is spread out over a larger surface area (stock to shoulder vs. pistol grip to palm) than a pistol and that further reduces felt recoil.

Where did I say that the carbine has more recoil than pistols? If that is how you took my statement then I am sorry for having been unclear. It's just that there is a little recoil with the 995 - not much but more than I thought there would be - which surprised me the first time I shot it.

Back to the subject of the OP, I am glad to hear that the 995 is holding its own in the shoot-off. I believe it to be a really good value firearm - as, I believe, are most of Hi-Points products.

As for the new stock vs. the old stock, I honestly think that the skeletized buttstock on the new design is even uglier than the old one (to me, it looks like the cheap plastic grid left over when building a model car after snapping all of the model pieces out.) However, the forestock looks a lot better and I believe the forestock makes the new design more useful and functional, overall.

Edited March 10, 2010 by JAB

[Oh Shoot]

...Something you have to consider is that with a carbine, less of the propellant escapes before the bullet leaves the (longer) barrel, allowing greater force behind the bullet (thus the higher speeds recorded from pistol cartridges fired from carbines) which therefore increases the opposite reaction - recoil - proportionally.

Where did I say that the carbine has more recoil than pistols? If that is how you took my statement then I am sorry for having been unclear. It's just that there is a little recoil with the 995 - not much but more than I thought there would be - which surprised me the first time I shot it...

I'm no ballistics guru, that's for sure, but for certain you're gaining 200-400 fps out of 16" barrel, depending on powder/loading/bullet weight. And whether this increases recoil or not, I couldn't say, but I agree with JAB, I was surprised that the felt recoil is as much as it is from the thing. 'Course, the original stock like I have, is just a hollow plastic shell. The new stock has the compressible butt plate, and it really DOES move with the recoil.

Now, my Marlin .357 carbine, the recoil feels quite gentle, but we're talking heavier receiver, solid wood stock with rubber pad, etc.

- OS

[Guest RangeMstr]

Definitely maybe...

Something you have to consider is that with a carbine, less of the propellant escapes before the bullet leaves the (longer) barrel, allowing greater force behind the bullet (thus the higher speeds recorded from pistol cartridges fired from carbines) which therefore increases the opposite reaction - recoil - proportionally.

Actually not. The HiPoint carbines (and pistols) are blow back operated and most pistols are recoil operated. Therefore, the increased gas pressure you allude to is vented sooner as the breech unlocks before the projectile has cleared the muzzle. In a recoil operated system (colt, sig, glock, etc) the barrel does not unlock until the recoil forces have ceased, which is when the projectile leaves the muzzle.

There are "advantages" to both recoil and blow back operating systems. That having been said, the physics of operation are entirely different.

The horse is officially dead. If you want me to I can point you toward some good reference material on interior ballistics. Interesting reading and very helpful to understand if/when you are diagnosing pistol/rifle problems.