Online Tax Revolt

[Rightwinger]

Heard about it in an interview done with a member of the Fair Tax org.

http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com

I'm walking!

[TripleDigitRide]

Just joined the walk!

[Rightwinger]

I'm thinking of Flo from Progressive Insurance now....

.....and we're walking!

Over

[Oh Shoot]

Well, a real revolt would be simply not to pay them.

- OS

[Guest Drewsett]

Well, a real revolt would be simply not to pay them.

- OS

Let me know how that works out for ya...

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'm walking, too.

[G27]

Let me know how that works out for ya...

If a large enough group was organized, it would be very effective.

[Erik88]

I'm thinking of Flo from Progressive Insurance now....

.....and we're walking!

LMAO:rofl:

[enfield]

No thanks - looks like meaningless, feel-good crap to me.

[Guest uofmeet]

If a large enough group was organized, it would be very effective.

doubtful. The federal Gov and the so called elected officials don't give two bout the American people anymore.

[sigmtnman]

This is a virtual walk? It looks like you just log in and pick an avatar and it "walks" for you.

Am I missing something here?

[G27]

doubtful. The federal Gov and the so called elected officials don't give two bout the American people anymore.

You're missing the point.

If 5 millions folks refused to file a return, or adjusted withholding to the minimum and didn't file, there's little the Fed Gov could do - they don't have the man power to go after that many folks.

Quite frankly, if folks get fed up enough, there's absolutely nothing the Fed Gov can do to stop them, regardless of whether or not they can re about the American people.

[Oh Shoot]

You're missing the point.

If 5 millions folks refused to file a return, or adjusted withholding to the minimum and didn't file, there's little the Fed Gov could do - they don't have the man power to go after that many folks.

Quite frankly, if folks get fed up enough, there's absolutely nothing the Fed Gov can do to stop them, regardless of whether or not they can re about the American people.

My thoughts also.

I'm sure IF individual folks could really believe that the other 4,999,999 would actually not pay, it would happen, perhaps in much greater numbers than the 5 million. Group dynamics is a fascinating thing; there is indeed strength in numbers, but the trick is to get individuals to unite into those numbers.

- OS

[TripleDigitRide]

doubtful. The federal Gov and the so called elected officials don't give two bout the American people anymore.

It's going to take more than just one man who's willing to fly his plane into government buildings.

[Bigiron]

I'm walking.

[Guest Drewsett]

The farmers who started the Whiskey Rebellion thought that there was strength in numbers as well. Washington got the army involved...bam no more Whiskey Rebellion....and that was Washington! It scares me to think of what Obama would do if put in a similar situation.

[Guest uofmeet]

oops, didn't mean to post here. where is the delete button?

[strickj]

You're missing the point.

If 5 millions folks refused to file a return, or adjusted withholding to the minimum and didn't file, there's little the Fed Gov could do - they don't have the man power to go after that many folks.

Quite frankly, if folks get fed up enough, there's absolutely nothing the Fed Gov can do to stop them, regardless of whether or not they can re about the American people.

Think so?

Around 1 in 6 Americans Do Not Pay Their Taxes - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

According to an IRS spokesperson in an article about anti-war tax resistance, 16.3% of Americans are in non-compliance with their taxes according to the Associated Press. That isn't fudging the numbers or coming up with creative tax deductions; it's simply evading taxes outright. While the story about the anti-war movement calling on people to not pay taxes to protest the war is interesting, the fact that a growing number of Americans are simply evading taxes is startling.

According to IRS estimates, that means there is $345 billion in uncollected taxes per year or roughly 2.6% of the national GDP. As a result of collection efforts, the IRS has generated over $48 billion of that amount in 2006 (or about 15%) according to CNN. These estimates do not include corporations using tax shelters (which "legally" protect them from taxes) or the rich using similar tactics. In 2006, the IRS audited about 1.3 million tax returns out of 130 million filed or an audit rate of about 1% according to an IRS source quoted by CNN. With over 16% overtly flouting the IRS, at best only 1% of those will even be challenged.

The reasons individuals give for not paying taxes vary. There are those who protest the war or other actions of the government. The IRS considers those objections frivolous. There are a few who don't believe that the income tax amendment was passed properly. And then there are some who just don't want to pay taxes because they want that money. With a founding slogan of "no taxation without representation", the United States has a long history of hating taxes. The nation was founded on it.

Henry David Thoreau refused to pay taxes during the Mexican-American war and many Vietnam war protestors such as Joan Baez did not pay taxes during that time either.

As a response to the growing tax gap (the amount of taxes that should be collected compared to what actually is collected) the IRS has started to employ debt collectors to go after the "easy" cases where the amount owed is low and the taxpayer doesn't dispute the debt. However, the tax gap has been growing and the money available for enforcement has either not kept up with it or has in some cases even been cut. As fewer and fewer people get prosecuted for tax evasion, more and more individuals will likely feel safe in either "embellishing" details to reduce their taxes or simply not pay them all together.

According to the US Census Bureau, there are 304,059,724 people in the US.

16 percent of that is 48,000,000.

Now, you really think an extra 5 million failing to pay will overwork them and they'll just up and quit...

[G27]

Now, you really think an extra 5 million failing to pay will overwork them and they'll just up and quit...

Lemme re-quote the end of what you posted:

As a response to the growing tax gap (the amount of taxes that should be collected compared to what actually is collected) the IRS has started to employ debt collectors to go after the "easy" cases where the amount owed is low and the taxpayer doesn't dispute the debt. However, the tax gap has been growing and the money available for enforcement has either not kept up with it or has in some cases even been cut. As fewer and fewer people get prosecuted for tax evasion, more and more individuals will likely feel safe in either "embellishing" details to reduce their taxes or simply not pay them all together.

If they can't keep up with the workload now, what makes you think an additional x million will suddenly be pursued?

[G27]

According to the US Census Bureau, there are 304,059,724 people in the US.

16 percent of that is 48,000,000.

And to be fair, since 40% of US households don't even OWE income taxes under the current system, and since not every person works, the number is MUCH smaller than 48M.

[strickj]

Lemme re-quote the end of what you posted:

If they can't keep up with the workload now, what makes you think an additional x million will suddenly be pursued?

I did,nt say they would or would not be perused.

The point is, an extra 5mil is nothing compared to those that fail to pay now.

That's like throwing an extra nickel in a 5 gallon bucket of quarters...

And to be fair, since 40% of US households don't even OWE income taxes under the current system, and since not every person works, the number is MUCH smaller than 48M.

Incorrect.

My link did not say those who do not pay.

My link says "not in compliance".

That means it does not take into account those that do not owe, or does not work.

Only those that fail to pay, or "simply evading taxes outright".

If it did include those that do not owe, then that percentage would be 56% (assuming that 40% you quote is correct)

According to an IRS spokesperson in an article about anti-war tax resistance, 16.3% of Americans are in non-compliance with their taxes according to the Associated Press. That isn't fudging the numbers or coming up with creative tax deductions; it's simply evading taxes outright.

Edited February 19, 2010 by strickj

[G27]

I did,nt say they would or would not be perused.

The point is, an extra 5mil is nothing compared to those that fail to pay now.

That's like throwing an extra nickel in a 5 gallon bucket of quarters..

Incorrect.

My link did not say those who do not pay.

My link says "not in compliance".

That means it does not take into account those that do not owe, or does not work.

Only those that fail to pay, or "simply evading taxes outright".

If it did include those that do not owe, then that percentage would be 56% (assuming that 40% you quote is correct)

Good point @ noncompliance, my mistake, missed that. Still doesn't give us an actual number, but we do know it's far, far less than 48M - that's my point.

The real point is they don't have the man power to pursue everyone now, it's unlikely that they'll suddenly be able to go after 5million more.

And yah, if 5million folks (a number I simply pulled out of air, of course) stopped paying and / or filing, it WOULD get their attention.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree. No biggie.

[sigmtnman]

Is this a real march or a virtual one? I only see reference to a virtual walk on the site. Is this for real?

[Rightwinger]

No thanks - looks like meaningless, feel-good crap to me.

Sorry your feeling so poorly. Try more fiber.

[Rightwinger]

Is this a real march or a virtual one? I only see reference to a virtual walk on the site. Is this for real?

This was announced at the CPAC convention yesterday. It's only on day two. The Avatars walking are similar to petition signatures that can be used to show support for the effort. There is on going planning for the real event which will occur April 15 in Washington.

The first-ever Online Tax Revolt, a free, interactive march on Washington was launched today. Using state of the art technology, concerned Americans can have a voice on tax policy, culminating on April 15 with events in Washington, D.C.

“The Online Tax Revolt is open to every American who believes taxes and spending are out of control, harmful to our country and a threat to our nation’s future,†said Campaign Chairman Ken Hoagland. “Our economic future and that of future generations is at stake. We need taxes that are lower and a tax structure that’s fair.