Define an army or navy pistol

[Mike.357]

I asked this in the thread about the guy in Brentwood carrying a BP revolver. Some/a lot of you may not read those threads.

So I ask it here. What defines a pistol as either army or navy?

[Mark@Sea]

Caliber. Navys were 36. Army's. 44.

[Guest 2HOW]

The Model 1842 Percussion Navy pistol served the country for a long time. They truly seen the world. They were carried by Navy ships and personnel to Japan, China, Korea, Central America and to every country visited by U.S. ships of the line. They were on Navy ships during the War with Mexico. They could be found during the Civil War on Navy and Army ships and boats maintaining the blockade of southern ports. They were on board the ships and boats cruising the Mississippi, Ohio and their tributaries. They very likely were carried ashore by sailors and marines in landing parties during that great conflict. Navy records as detailed in "CIVIL WAR SMALL ARMS OF THE U.S. NAVY AND MARINE CORPS" by John D. McAulay indicate that both "Navy" and "Army" pistols as well as "Boarding Pistols" were in evidence, in some numbers, on Naval ships before, during and at the end of the Civil War. As in the case of the Aston and Johnson "Army" pistols some even probably found their way into the Confederate Navy (or Army).

They are referred to, in Navy records, as "Navy Pistols, Ames Pistols or Boarding Pistols". "Army Pistols" mentioned in Navy records are references to the larger size Model 1842, .54 caliber, Single Shot Pistols manufactured by Henry Aston and Ira N. Johnson from 1845 to 1852.

[Mike.357]

so from what is posted above, numbnuts in Brentwood was not carrying a navy pistol, and it sure was not an army pistol

I doubt there is a legal definition of either.

[gregintenn]

Radnor Lake Rambo Strikes Again! He's the Belle Meade Macho Man Now - Nashville News - Nashville Scene - Pith in the Wind

According to this report, it was a 1851 Navy.

[nightrunner]

does the law designate black powder?

[Garufa]

The law was written in 1870 or so. Black powder is all they had.

This is one of those laws written to address the immediate need of the time without any thought of the future and was never taken off the books.

[nightrunner]

if it doesnt designate Im surprised he didnt try it with a M1911 or a M9

[Mike.357]

Radnor Lake Rambo Strikes Again! He's the Belle Meade Macho Man Now - Nashville News - Nashville Scene - Pith in the Wind

According to this report, it was a 1851 Navy.

I would be very suprised if it actually was a 1851 Navy. From the video it appears to be brass framed. I have no idea where you get a brass framed 51 chambered in .36 cal. The gun has to be a .44, so therefore it is not a navy revolver, and being a 51 replica it is not an army either.

[DaveTN]

No one will care. It isn’t the cops or the Prosecutor that is bringing up this obscure law; it is dumb azz trying to use it to justify walking around with a gun in his hand. He intentionally used it to bait the cops to stop him, and now wants to sue them because they did.

I hope they bankrupt this POS and I am really interested in what attorney would take this case.

[gregintenn]

I'm guessing it was a replica.

[gregintenn]

The 51 Navy had a brass grip frame. On what information are you basing your argument against it being a 51 Navy? Could you provide a link?

[Garufa]

Since I'm becoming confused with this fool's antics...is he suing Belle Meade as well as the Park Ranger?

[Mike.357]

I'm guessing it was a replica.

Well of course it was, 99.9999% of black powder revolvers are replicas.

The 51 Navy had a brass grip frame. On what information are you basing your argument against it being a 51 Navy? Could you provide a link?

Have you read the thread?

A navy is in .36 caliber. An army is in .44. The 1851 Navy was chambered back in the day in .36 caliber.

Pietta, Uberti and others make 1851 replicas. They make them in steel frame and in brass. You can get a 51 navy in .36 in a steel frame, but I have never seen one new for sale these days with a brass frame and chambered in .36. The replicas with brass frame are .44 caliber.

Being an 1851 replica chambered in .44 caliber it cannot be a navy pistol. And it certainly is not an army pistol. NO ONE makes an 1851 army.

Am I missing the point or something?

[Mike.357]

Since I'm becoming confused with this fool's antics...is he suing Belle Meade as well as the Park Ranger?

have not read yet that he is.

[Jack]

have not read yet that he is.

He was at the Belle Meade court house today, he is suing.

[Guest Jamie]

Pietta, Uberti and others make 1851 replicas. They make them in steel frame and in brass. You can get a 51 navy in .36 in a steel frame, but I have never seen one new for sale these days with a brass frame and chambered in .36. The replicas with brass frame are .44 caliber.

From the Taylor's & Co. site.

Take a look at the gun in the upper right corner of the pic:

I know some of the Confederate guns were nothing more than brass-framed copies of Colts, but I don't know if there was a true brass-framed, .36 cal. Confederate 1851 Navy.

As to whether the actual caliber and design of the gun makes any real difference with the law dip:poop: was "testing", I can't even begin to guess.

J.

[Mike.357]

I stand corrected on the .36 cal thing. But I would be very suprised if that is what he was carrying.