Cousin rejected by Army Reserves.

[Krull]

I have a cousin who wanted to join the reserves he has been talking about for 3 years so he decided to go do it. Well he failed a drug test for the army 16 years ago so the reserves turned him away and said no sir sorry.

The kicker is he holds a freaking Q clearance for the government who was well aware he failed a drug test for army when he was 18. What the crap? They will take losers like this Army Discharges Single Mom Who Refused Deployment | News One but forget the ones who would actually fight.

[Guest GT_Rat]

From what I've read on the The National Guard forums they're overstrength right now and aren't taking any moral waivers. Sometimes the dumb things you do in your younger years come back to haunt you in ways you didn't think about. Did he think the Army was just going to forget about it?

[Guest jackdm3]

I really thought they were taking almost anyone.

[lowbud]

I think they would rather stop loss someone.

[Guest GT_Rat]

They've been making their recruiting goals for awhile now. Since the economy went to crap anyway.

[Guest mustangdave]

A "Q" clearance?...Never heard of it. But GT RAT is correct.

[Daniel]

We no longer use Stop Loss. The no Moral Waiver statement is correct. I may have a little trouble going back to Active duty from the Reserve this summer. They may not take me as an NCO. I dont want to take a rank reduction so hopefully being Infantry will allow me to keep my rank.

[Reservoir Dog]

A "Q" clearance?...Never heard of it.

It's a security clearance for working around nuclear materials.

[Daniel]

A "Q" clearance?...Never heard of it. But GT RAT is correct.

Hes talking about his security clearance.. I dont ever hear the Q clearance thing but I have seen it here several times.

[Daniel]

It's a security clearance for working around nuclear materials.

ah

But yeah, the Army, Reserve, and National Guard are making recruitment goals. The NG may be his most likely bet. The NG has all of the combat units in the part time military so that may be an option he would look at. I couldnt tell you for sure though, he would have to talk to a NG recruiter.

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[Guest mustangdave]

It's a security clearance for working around nuclear materials.

Ahhh...Dept of Energy clearance...WIKI is your friend...was gonna say I worked on 2 NUKE Aircraft Carriers and at the Rancho Seco NUKE power plant in California...and had a TS clearance but never a Q clearance...I kinda agree it doesn't make much sense to disqualify the guy from service...but the RESERVES can be picky i guess

[Krull]

He works for y-12

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[Krull]

Double post

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[Krull]

From what I've read on the The National Guard forums they're overstrength right now and aren't taking any moral waivers. Sometimes the dumb things you do in your younger years come back to haunt you in ways you didn't think about. Did he think the Army was just going to forget about it?

And umm no , he told them about it when he sat down. My point is the government trusts him to be around and design nuclear weapon parts, he has a freaking masters degree in design and graphics with some kind of engineering something but they are letting trash bag hood rats and America haters in the army but won't let him in because of something that happened 16 years ago. I think he has more to offer than some stupid hood rat that is gettting in the army just cause.

[Guest Ae-35]

Have you ever know any branch of service to apply " logic" at any time ?

[Guest GT_Rat]

And umm no , he told them about it when he sat down. My point is the government trusts him to be around and design nuclear weapon parts, he has a freaking masters degree in design and graphics with some kind of engineering something but they are letting trash bag hood rats and America haters in the army but won't let him in because of something that happened 16 years ago. I think he has more to offer than some stupid hood rat that is gettting in the army just cause.

The Army is not the Dept. of Energy. The responsibilities and trust involved are different. The Army looks at his RE code and if it's anything other than 1 (his is probably a 3 I'd guess) then he's out the door regardless of his subsequent accomplishments. Before the economy went down hill they would have gotten him in on a waiver and he probably would be going to OCS. Now that the Army's rule is NO MORAL WAIVERS he get's the boot. If he gives it time they'll start accepting them again as the economy improves and recruiting starts to drop off.

According to the National Guard forums he could probably talk to the VFW and get them to help him with getting back in but it is a long drawn out process for reviewing a separation code. There is a really good thread on the National Guard forums under the Prior Service section on getting on a review board.

And for those wondering, my DD214 says RE-1. I've just been doing a lot of reading on the Guard forums about re-enlisting. Problem is every other thread there is "I have an RE-3 (or RE-4), how do I get back in."

[R1100R]

I am stationed at a basic training Fort. The Army met it's goals last August. Half the

BCT Battalions are running at half capacity. Ft Jackson is like a ghost town right know. You have to go to Tank Hill to see trainees. I don't know about hood rat's getting in. At this time College grads are running at a all time high. High school grads

are the norm, I understand no GED's.

[Krull]

He failed the drug test at meps. He was never in the army. I would understand all of

this if he would have been booted or served in the army. He failed the initial drug test to join when he was 18. This is just stupid, IMO. But hey, they are going to modify the law enforcement entrance exam for minorities in some states so I guess our dumbing down of the country isn't going to stop with the military.

[Guest GT_Rat]

Hmm.. I wonder if he mentioned it was at MEPS and he was never actually "in" and if they would even keep a record of that. (probably would knowing the military in general) Did the recruiter drop him as soon as he said that or did he actually do any paperwork to run up the flagpole? That might be a question he could ask on the NG forums and get some clarification because at this point he doesn't have an RE code I would think.

[Krull]

Good question I will ask.

[Mike.357]

tell him to look at the Navy, I think they take anyone

[Guest jackdm3]

Aye, you LANDLUBBER!!!

[Guest rystine]

If he was simply rejected outright by the recruiter (not rejected at MEPS) he could always simply try a different recruiter. For alot of recruiters out there, once they hit their quota for the month they aren't going to be much help at all.

Certainly the bad economy has helped the military meet its recruiting quotas, but it's also early in the fiscal year and so the recruiters are alot pickier (sp?) about who they put in. He could try again towards August or September (the next fiscal year starts at the begining of October) and there may be a recruiter who is desperate to make quota and will do the paperwork necessary to get him in.

[Guest mustangdave]

tell him to look at the Navy, I think they take anyone

LOL...ya better hide under that chair...the Navy would most likely turn him out as well. All the Armed Services are being picky these days

[Guest GT_Rat]

Navy and Air Force are probably the most difficult to get into these days. A lot of the people that go into the military pick jobs and military branches that are less likely to see direct combat.