A.P.P.S. Training

[Guest tjbert47]

My Dad always told me if you have nothing good to say just say nothing. So ................. .............

Tom in TN

[dunndw]

Frank didn't embellish at all in his description of Buford. Ask Buford..he'll tell you himself. He's a self described a$$hole.

People either like Buford...or they don't. I took the class from him, i don't remember the odd shooting stance, but I know he does teach it. It might be something I've forgotten after having different classes.

I've been told by people not on this board who had brought him in for private training, and asked him to leave about the time he started in with that stance. And yes...the people in question are Operators if you want to throw that term around. Buford is (in my opinion) one of the "problems" getting TFA rolling in Nashville. I personally don't have a problem with him. However after speaking to several people in and out of the gun training business, when I convince my wife to take the class it won't be one of his.

I don't understand why people think just because someone is in the same business that they're automatically bashing their competitors for some type of monetary gain. truth is, I don't think the professional gun trainer community is that big in Middle TN. They're going to know about their peers, people talk. It isn't always gonna be good.

[Beretta Racer]

My Dad always told me if you have nothing good to say just say nothing. So ................. .............

Tom in TN

My Grandmother always told me that as well.

Since I believe that the First Amendment is just as vital as the Second Amendment. I will defend your right to your opinion, but my Dad always told me that opinions are like a##%%%%s, everyone has one.

I'm through here.

[molonlabetn]

My Grandmother always told me that as well.

Since I believe that the First Amendment is just as vital as the Second Amendment. I will defend your right to your opinion, but my Dad always told me that opinions are like a##%%%%s, everyone has one.

I'm through here.

Yeah... but opinions are meant to be shared, a$$-holes aren't .

[Marswolf]

As I've said, opinions and conclusions are different things.

[Beretta Racer]

As I've said, opinions and conclusions are different things.

Not always. Quite often they are one and the same.

[molonlabetn]

Opinions are either positive or negative... conclusions are true or false, and have a tangible basis.

[Beretta Racer]

o·pin·ion /əˈpɪnyən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-pin-yuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. 2.a personal view, attitude, or appraisal. 3.the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion. 4.Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case. 5.a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion. 6.a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.

con·clu·sion /kənˈkluʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-kloo-zhuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.the end or close; final part. 2.the last main division of a discourse, usually containing a summing up of the points and a statement of opinion or decisions reached. 3.a result, issue, or outcome; settlement or arrangement: The restitution payment was one of the conclusions of the negotiations. 4.final decision: The judge has reached his conclusion.

The actual definition.

[Marswolf]

The Differences between Factual Data, Opinions and Conclusions

Definitions:

Factual data is Information that can be proven to be real; it is observable or can be demonstrated.

Opinions are ideas, thoughts and beliefs that are not necessarily based on factual data and have not been proven or verified.

Conclusions are decisions or judgments that are arrived at after consideration of factual data, evidence or different hypotheses.

[Will]

After twenty years of classes in Nashville area (student-armed) and using at least five

of the schools I would say go with Buford, did not like the guy but learned more in one

weekend than previous 18 years of classes. If it is cold and windy so what are you only going to use your weapon inside at seventy degrees? Dress warm and waterproof it

will do you good.

[KahrMan]

Can't add much new info, but I will give you my experience with Buford.

Buford is a blowhard and like to talk about himself but I thought it was a good class and worth the time. And yes he did raise his eyebrows when he checked my firearm, Kahr P9, at the range. Gave that only a dumbass wouldn't carry a sp101 look but didn't say anything except to make sure to practice with it.

There's my .02 FWIW.

[Guest Shooting Coach]

Ok, let's sum this up.

Opinion

1. Buford is an a$$clown

2. Buford has a problem with obscenity and propriety

3. Buford embellishes himself to be more than he was

4. You will likely be insulted in his class

5. You will be shown a method to shoot that is not accepted or will not be used after the class.

6. You will be belittled unless you shoot a Ruger SP-101, preferably bought from him

Conclusion

1. There are many other trainers with impeccable, recent credentials that are professional, courteous, that will give as much training in a better arena and may have an indoor range

2. You will pay to be miserable on an outdoor range in the heat of the summer and the cold of the winter

3. You will have a long drive to the range, which is Smyrna

4. Although the class is two days, if only the course material was taught, the class would be one day

5. You will be yelled at on the range by unqualified range "help"

6. Buford's endless self promotion and belittling other trainers has caused a small number of folks to prefer and recommend him

7. Most of Buford's many credentials hung on his wall are from 25 years ago

8. You would not want your wife, daughter, or Pastor to go to his class

When adding up positives against the negatives,,,,,,,,,,

[Marswolf]

Folks, do you think we've about done this topic to death?

[Fencer]

My experiences with Buford are excellent. I took my carry permit class from a different school, but when my wife (British) decided to take the class, I researched classes and found out about APPS. Everyone I talked to, talked highly of APPS. I sat in on the class with her when she took it, and learned for more than I had before. She enjoyed the class and has recommended it to her hairdresser and everyone she meets. Her hairdresser enjoyed it and also has recommended it.

Since then, We have taken several other classes from APPS and have enjoyed and learned from each of them. I hope he is still teaching when my young daughter is old enough.

[Beretta Racer]

Folks, do you think we've about done this topic to death?

Duh!!!!

[Guest tadams]

Folks, do you think we've about done this topic to death?

I certainly didn't mean to start such a hemorrhoidial topic. Apparently, I touched on a sore spot. I apologize for that. However, I've definitely received enough answers to re-make my initial decision and am thankful I asked.

The horse has definitely been beat. I don't know if he's dead... but he's been beat.

Travis

[Marswolf]

I certainly didn't mean to start such a hemorrhoidial topic. Apparently, I touched on a sore spot. I apologize for that. However, I've definitely received enough answers to re-make my initial decision and am thankful I asked.

The horse has definitely been beat. I don't know if he's dead... but he's been beat.

Travis

It was a good topic. No problem with that. We think we need to review all the trainers. Some are very good and some are dip-heads. Information is what the board is about.

But after a while the info/opinions/conclusions get posted and don't need to be restated endlessly. If there is new info, then fine.