What does an internal and external extractor look like?

[Guest PatriotCSA]

Does anyone have pics of the internal vs external extractor setup on 1911s? I've been told by several to stay away from 1911s with externals. I need to know what it looks like to avoid it.

[Guest bkelm18]

Look on the right hand side of the gun at the ejection port. If you can see the extracter just to the rear of the port, that's external. If you cannot, internal.

External:

Internal:

[BimmerFreak]

External

Internal

[BimmerFreak]

damn. Beat me to it...

[Guest jackdm3]

They call him "McGraw."

[Westwindmike]

Does anyone have pics of the internal vs external extractor setup on 1911s? I've been told by several to stay away from 1911s with externals. I need to know what it looks like to avoid it.

Ok, why are the externals bad? Just wondering.

[Garufa]

Ok, why are the externals bad? Just wondering.

Because JMB designed it otherwise.

[Guest BigShot]

Bout halfway down this thread is a pic of an external...

Kimber Ultra Carry - TheFiringLine Forums

Here's another on post #3...

Ultra Carry II - 1911Forum

Here's a pic of an internal. No flapper...

http://www.celtictexas.com/IMG_0256.jpg

Hope that helps. BTW, a lot of folks don't have issue with the external extractor. My experience as well as my shootin bud is that they suck. Luck of the draw!!

[eRay]

I think Kimber had problems with their external extractor. I know my Pro Carry did. Smith & Wesson has used external extractors on their pistols for years with no problems. Smith & Wesson 1911's seem to work fine with external extractors.

[seez52]

on an internal you can also see it from the back end of the slide, sort of a half moon looking piece.

[Garufa]

This has me thinking. Are there any semi-auto pistols with an internal extractor other than the 1911? I honesty cannot think of one.

[Bigiron]

1908 Colt Pocket Hammerless.

[Guest jackdm3]

I gots one of those.

[Garufa]

1908 Colt Pocket Hammerless.

Very good. JMB design...precursor to 1911.

[Oh Shoot]

This has me thinking. Are there any semi-auto pistols with an internal extractor other than the 1911? I honesty cannot think of one.

Umm..look at your XDM.

- OS

[Guest jackdm3]

Ohhhhhhhhh, SNAP!

[Garufa]

Umm..look at your XDM.

- OS

Well . You're right. It's umm, still a JMB rip-off.

Ohhhhhhhhh, SNAP!

Yep.

[JeffsSig]

Sig has a few

[Guest Jamie]

This has me thinking. Are there any semi-auto pistols with an internal extractor other than the 1911? I honesty cannot think of one.

The early Browning Hi-Powers have an internal extractor.

I have one similar to this, but mine doesn't have the dished-out place on the slide, between the ejection port and the muzzle.

Mine was one of the last ones made before the switch to external extractors.

J.

[eapking]

S&W makes good 1911's with external extractors. Unless you're a 1911 purist, don't let that stop you. JMB will not come and haunt you.

[Guest PatriotCSA]

Thanks for the pics and explanations.

[I_Like_Pie]

I've been told by several to stay away from 1911s with externals.

Whoever told you this....be wary of any advice they give as it is heresay and not experience talking

[1gewehr]

External extractors are cheaper to manufacture. Fewer machining operations. If properly designed and made, they work just fine.

[Guest PatriotCSA]

Whoever told you this....be wary of any advice they give as it is heresay and not experience talking

This is part of my problem in a 1911 search. I really don't know who's giving good advice and who isn't. I've always been a rifle guy. This will be my first handgun, much less first 1911. So it's why I've been taking my time with it and asking a lot of questions.

[Guest leftyvette]

When you do get one you are going to have soooooo much fun shooting it!!!!! (that is, if you can afford the ammo) Nothing shoots like a 45 acp 1911.