winchester 40 bonded

[my82cam]

i was at academy last night and saw some winchester 40 cal bonded 180gr personal protection ammo. anybody have any good luck with this stuff? i was thinking about switching ammo and was considering this for my glock 23/27. any other brands that people like for carry?

[Alpha7]

It is good stuff. I dont like the 180 grain not enough velocity. I prefer the 165 grain bonded. This supposedly has taken the place of the former Winchester Ranger ammo. It mushrooms well and what not to. This is what I would buy below.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=119031

[Alpha7]

I carry remington golden sabre 165 grain jhp in my xd. According to sanow ballistic test they had 93% one stop shot rating which was higher than any other ammo tested. Gold dots were on the list but I think they were only about 88%

[Alpha7]

165 grain

40 S&W Stopping Power

[Alpha7]

180 grain

40 S&W Stopping Power

[Alpha7]

155 grain

40 S&W Stopping Power

[Alpha7]

All grains

40 S&W Stopping Power

[Alpha7]

According to their data out of 146 shootings (by police I believe) 165 grain jhp golden sabres had 137 one stop shots.

[lowbud]

I keep 155gr for my PM40. My other larger 40's I'll go up to 165. This is good ammo but when I can get it I prefer rem gs or speer. I don't buy 180gr JHP in .40

[Alpha7]

I keep 155gr for my PM40. My other larger 40's I'll go up to 165. This is good ammo but when I can get it I prefer rem gs or speer. I don't buy 180gr JHP in .40

Me either simply not enough penetration with 180 grain.

[Alpha7]

The lighter the bullet the more velocity it has. If I am not mistaken the more velocity it has the deeper it will penetrate.

[molonlabetn]

180gr will actually penetrate further due to greater momentum... what it lacks is muzzle energy (on paper). But either 165gr or 180gr using quality JHP projectiles commonly reach about 14" in gelatin. A more critical question would be which load cycles and fires better out of your particular gun...?

The lighter the bullet the more velocity it has. If I am not mistaken the more velocity it has the deeper it will penetrate.

Not really... a lighter bullet, even travelling faster, has less momentum. Plus, lighter bullets are more likely to fragment and penetrate very little. This is why 135gr .40s&w bullets usually create a large, shallow wound, and heavier bullets go deeper, but with a more narrow wound track.

Edited February 11, 2010 by molonlabetn

[Alpha7]

180gr will actually penetrate further due to greater momentum... what it lacks is muzzle energy (on paper). But either 165gr or 180gr using quality JHP projectiles commonly reach about 14" in gelatin. A more critical question would be which load cycles and fires better out of your particular gun...?

Not really... a lighter bullet, even travelling faster, has less momentum. Plus, lighter bullets are more likely to fragment and penetrate very little. This is why 135gr .40s&w bullets usually create a large, shallow wound, and heavier bullets go deeper, but with a more narrow wound track.

Well thanks for clearing that up fer me.

[Alpha7]

right now i am using black talonsgiven to me from a police officer and since i don't have access to a lot of them i have only fired about 5 of them through my gun. i want to shoot 500 through my gun so i think i need to switch to something i can buy off of the shelf. [deleted - wrong forum]

You can buy winchester rangers off gunbroker.com by the case. They are essentially the same thing as black talons. They cost about 10.00 more per box than regular for whatever reason but you can get em.

Edited February 11, 2010 by enfield

[Alpha7]

right now i am using black talonsgiven to me from a police officer and since i don't have access to a lot of them i have only fired about 5 of them through my gun. i want to shoot 500 through my gun so i think i need to switch to something i can buy off of the shelf. [deleted - wrong forum]

Personally,

If it were me I would use golden sabres but that is just me. You can get them for 19.99 a box from ammunitiontogo.com which is cheaper than bass pro cuz they want 29.99 a box for em.

Edited February 11, 2010 by enfield

[my82cam]

ammo to go has it on sale for 15 bucks a box! remington golden sabre 165 GR i wil give it a try and see what happens. maybe i will get to shoot it and see if i like it before it goes back to full price of 20 bucks.

[Alpha7]

ammo to go has it on sale for 15 bucks a box! remington golden sabre 165 GR i wil give it a try and see what happens. maybe i will get to shoot it and see if i like it before it goes back to full price of 20 bucks.

I heard that. They usually lower the prices when they have Excess and seem to jack em up when they are running low.

[Alpha7]

Also,

keep us posted on what you think about the golden sabres. I dont think you will be disappointed.

[my82cam]

i was wanting to buy several boxes but decided i had better buy one box shoot it and see how it cycles in my glocks than stock up and sell this black talons or just shoot them for the heck of it.

[Alpha7]

i was wanting to buy several boxes but decided i had better buy one box shoot it and see how it cycles in my glocks than stock up and sell this black talons or just shoot them for the heck of it.

Hell man shoot em for the heck of it. Blow crap up with em.

[tarheelbball]

YouTube - tnoutdoors9's Channel

I know this is just a test but what do you guys think??

[Magiccarpetrides]

135gr produces the greatest amount of hydrostatic shock (I read it on the internet so it must be true ) Speaking of which I might have some LE posted up in the classifieds section real soon.

[tarheelbball]

I was referring to the video of bullet separation by golden saber