You knew Michael Moore lied. This is how.

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

My "drain-hole" description is still there. The "Mother sucks" is a quote from the avatar.

My bad....I'm old.

jackdm3 - your avatar freaks me out.....

He could have used this....

Or a pic of me....

What's a dark side ?

[mcurrier]

That intelligence was cherrypicked to make a case for war–a war a lot of people got rich from, and patriotic Americans paid the price for.

No doubt that patriotic Americans gave their lives. And our thanks to them throughout the generations and all of the wars, named and unnamed.

I am curious though as to who these people were that got rich? Seriously, school me. Facts though please, no conjecture.

I have always disliked ALL politicians, but the ones who actually lie and manipulate need to be called out on it and disciplined. Based on all the facts, and having had a ringside seat for 8 years, I do not believe that George Bush did so. Now again, prefacing my next statement with the fact that I have no love for ANY politician, I do constantly see the present administration caught up in many lies and manipulations of the truth, as well as many who would be called liberals or the "left". The Clinton administration was the same. I do not see this through "Republican goggles" as I do not consider myself to be a 'Republican', although given the two parties, their stance and their players, I do have to say that the Republican party typically presents the best choices between two evils, is the least abrasive and light-years more honest than the Democrat party. Did I say perfect? No, I did not. But if we are to look at the two parties objectively, the Democrat party has mastered lying, deceit, fraud and corruption, while the Republicans are still novice amateurs.

Good independents are easy to find, however while trying not to throw the baby out with the bath water, I can name many good and honest Republcans in State and Federal office, while I would be hard stretched to name more than a handful of Democrats. Lieberman and Zell Miller come to mind, but they are the in minority to be sure.