M&P .45

[Steelharp]

I see, especially on here, people with these high $ 1911's w/all these crazy problems.

The problem IS the high dollar 1911. The gun wasn't designed that way. A mil-spec 1911 will be dead nuts reliable, and do what a defensive handgun is supposed to do; save your butt at 15 yards and less. If you want to hit 6" steel plates dead center at 100 yards with every shot, THAT 1911 is going to have reliability issues. So is any other handgun tightened up to do it. Get a RIA 1911 for in the $400-ish range, and feel confident that you have the tool you need FOR THE JOB IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

[Guest 10mm4me]

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Edited January 10, 2010 by 10mm4me

[Guest hi im drummer03]

A .45 should be steel...get a 1911...but that's just me talking.

+1

Yeah, I have a thing about Taurus...I don't do Taurus. I'm sure it's me and I'm sure you have a fine carry gun and have tested it extensively, but I just can't carry a Taurus. Like I said, it's me.

Your not the only one.

I would do a H&K HK45c, then a 1911. I would choose a Glock everytime though for carry.

[DaveTN]

Dry firing a centerfire weapon cannot hurt that weapon. It is physically impossible.When the striker hits a round, it is impacting brass,when dry fired, it strikes air.The day air is harder than brass is the day I open a floating waterpark on the moon.This argument is old,stupid,and has been misproven many times over, many years ago.Your striker may indeed have broken while dry firing, but it was not because of dry firing.

No reputable gunsmith will tell you to dry fire any weapon without snap caps. Call Glock or S&W, they will both tell you that they will fix your gun if you break it and they will both tell you to use snap caps. Check out Glocks punched out breech faces. You think everything just floats to a stop in air?

[Mike.357]

Dry firing a centerfire weapon cannot hurt that weapon. It is physically impossible.When the striker hits a round, it is impacting brass,when dry fired, it strikes air.The day air is harder than brass is the day I open a floating waterpark on the moon.This argument is old,stupid,and has been misproven many times over, many years ago.Your striker may indeed have broken while dry firing, but it was not because of dry firing.

I have never ever understood how dry firing hurts something. rimfire excluded., even with them it is questionable.

Someone started this story then started supplying snap caps to make a buck or two.

[Guest CK1]

Dry firing a centerfire weapon cannot hurt that weapon. It is physically impossible.When the striker hits a round, it is impacting brass,when dry fired, it strikes air.The day air is harder than brass is the day I open a floating waterpark on the moon.This argument is old,stupid,and has been misproven many times over, many years ago.Your striker may indeed have broken while dry firing, but it was not because of dry firing.

You are very wrong, and your statement is naive. I'll leave it at that since judging by your tone you're probably not open to being enlightened.

Good luck.

(Can't help it, Sorry ) While air isn't harder than brass, a soft brass primer slowing down a firing pin rather than it crashing full speed into the back of the breech face has something to do with it... Which is why dry-fire is harder on a gun than live fire. You're obviously a newb, it's ok.

Edited January 10, 2010 by CK1

[Guest 10mm4me]

It doesn't.Dry firing causing damage is a joke.You wanna honestly tell me that Glock says not to dry fire when it is a freeking step in the disassembly of the weapon? I don't think so.

[Guest 10mm4me]

I have read the Glock manual cover to cover 10x and nowhere does it say not to dry fire

[Guest CK1]

Never said anything about not dry firing a Glock, you asked about an M&P...

[Guest 10mm4me]

You are very wrong, and your statement is naive. I'll leave it at that since judging by your tone you're probably not open to being enlightened.

Good luck.

(Can't help it, Sorry ) While air isn't harder than brass, a soft brass primer slowing down a firing pin rather than it crashing full speed into the back of the breech face has something to do with it... Which is why dry-fire is harder on a gun than live fire. You're obviously a newb, it's ok.

A newb, whatever, you sir are a fool. waste your money on snap caps.I don't care. But keep your bull:poop: opinions of me to yourself. I am no newb and I have dry fired my G19 @ least 1000x and my striker looks as new as the day the gun left the factory.As I said b4, it is a step in the disassembly of the weapon so if you think it causes damage then call Gaston and let him know.

[DaveTN]

It doesn't.Dry firing causing damage is a joke.You wanna honestly tell me that Glock says not to dry fire when it is a freeking step in the disassembly of the weapon? I don't think so.

Knowledge of metallurgy and mechanics tells me it is not good. No, occasionally dry firing will not hurt it. But the weapon is designed for the firing pin to be stopped by the round; not by the shock of over travel.

Call Glock and see what they tell you.

I don’t see why this is such a big issue anyway, why would you risk repeated dry firing when you can use a snap cap?

[titan14]

I've been told that dry firing doesn't hurt a gun....i am skeptical, For a couple of reasons.....

1. I've been in the construction business for about 20 years...ALL nail guns have a specific warning about "dry-firing". I have seen these guns break because of dry firing. I personally broke 2 .22 fired masonry nailers by dry firing them.

2. Crossbows and Compound bows, these will break when dry fired, so i am told.

Seems that metal doesnt like to stop abruptly without striking something besides air....

maybe its just me...but i dont like to dry fire anything....

[Guest 10mm4me]

so what happens when you dry fire on a snap cap, it indents and then you have an indent on the snap cap primer, the next time u use it the firing pin will be hitting air, snap caps are a waste. If I can dry fire my G19 over 1000x, which I have, and have no problems then I think that definitely proves that dry firing causing damage is a myth. The day my G19 striker breaks because I dry fired it. I will change my tune, but it hasn't so I wont. Snap caps have a purpose, they are for training with a pistol to get a realistic idea of the weight of a fully loaded pistol and that is it.

[Mike.357]

I personally broke 2 .22 fired masonry nailers by dry firing them.

that is apples and oranges. A 22 is a rimfire. By the nature of it the firing pin may strike the edge of the chamber and peen it.

The argument of dry firing a centerfire is reminiscent of 1911/Glock, 9mm/45auto, 10-22/Model 60.

[DaveTN]

so what happens when you dry fire on a snap cap, it indents and then you have an indent on the snap cap primer, the next time u use it the firing pin will be hitting air

No it won’t; they are spring loaded. They take up the shock of over travel. You have your mind made up and that’s that; but some of us are commenting for those that really question if it’s a good idea.

[Guest CK1]

A newb, whatever, you sir are a fool. waste your money on snap caps.I don't care. But keep your bull:poop: opinions of me to yourself. I am no newb and I have dry fired my G19 @ least 1000x and my striker looks as new as the day the gun left the factory.As I said b4, it is a step in the disassembly of the weapon so if you think it causes damage then call Gaston and let him know.

I hope you shoot better than you read you genius, I already said that I never said you can't dry-fire a Glock, I said you shouldn't dry-fire an M&P.

Newbs:rolleyes:...

[Guest 10mm4me]

I'm sorry but you all are saying something can happen if done regularly. I have done this 1000x, that is alot, and it hasn't happened.I think you are wrong.I mean come on.The only time dry firing matters is with rim fire weapons.I'm sure alot of you don't want your feelings hurt because yall spent all this money on snap caps but it is time to face reality.DRY FIRING A CENTERFIRE WEAPON WILL NOT HURT IT.I spent hours in the Marine Corps dry firing an M-16A2 with a penny balanced on the front sight to practice trigger control. The firing pin did not break. Hundreds before did the same thing with the same rifle and it did not break. If it had broken we would not be doing that drill with that weapon.time to face reality people.

[Mike.357]

they are spring loaded.

thats true

[Mike.357]

I am not saying one way or the other, but in a few years of reading gun message boards I have never read anyone who claims their gun broke from dry firing it. Never even heard of it before. Never even imagined dry firing a center fire was a bad thing.

[titan14]

that is apples and oranges. A 22 is a rimfire. By the nature of it the firing pin may strike the edge of the chamber and peen it.

I should have clarified....my bad.

The rod/bolt/driver(whatever you call it) completely broke in two pieces because it had nothing to "drive". My point was not breaking the firing pin...my point was that the metal "driver" broke, because it had nothing to push.

[Mike.357]

it broke because it hit the chamber, same as a rimfire gun might do

[titan14]

it broke because it hit the chamber, same as a rimfire gun might do

Sorry Mike...im not explaining it the way I need to, to make you understand....

I'll try it again...these guns fire .22 blanks....the blank drives a "rod" that hits the nail and drives it into whatever you have the barrel pressed against. The "rod" broke in half because it didnt have anything to push. the shoulder of the "rod" stopped the forward motion of the "rod", not the nail/material.

Wait....maybe I'm not the one understanding....maybe you are correct....hell...now I'm confused....it's toooooo late and I've had tooooo many beers to think about it....

[Guest Jamie]

I'm sorry but you all are saying something can happen if done regularly. I have done this 1000x, that is alot, and it hasn't happened.I think you are wrong.I mean come on.The only time dry firing matters is with rim fire weapons.I'm sure alot of you don't want your feelings hurt because yall spent all this money on snap caps but it is time to face reality.DRY FIRING A CENTERFIRE WEAPON WILL NOT HURT IT.I spent hours in the Marine Corps dry firing an M-16A2 with a penny balanced on the front sight to practice trigger control. The firing pin did not break. Hundreds before did the same thing with the same rifle and it did not break. If it had broken we would not be doing that drill with that weapon.time to face reality people.

I've seen the breechface on several guns peened outward and cracked by excessive dry firing.

It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

Edit: Something like this, although this is an extreme example:

BTW.... Several of my Drill Instructors kept an M-16 firing pin in their hat bands, just so they had an on-the-spot replacement for anyone that had one break on the firing range. ( That was about 30 years ago, however. )

J.

Edited January 10, 2010 by Jamie

[Guest 10mm4me]

Since we're on the topic, I have a Remington Nylon 66 .22 (best .22 ever made by the way)that has been dry fired countless times because after the last round it dry fires if u pull the trigger, the bolt does not lock back, it has not broken. The gun is over 30yrs old. I would say it has been dry fired at a min of 1000x over the last 30 yrs.Your argument is garbage. Give some proof, as I have done, or please just quit responding.

[Mike.357]

Bill, I have never handled a nailgun so I will take your word for it breaking in a dry fire situation.

That makes is simple, LOL.

Time to go ride the quad.