China Surpasses U.S. in 2009 Auto Sales

[Guest strelcevina]

China Surpasses U.S. in 2009 Auto Sales- Yahoo! Autos Article Page

its no big deal story, so nobody care.

people are interested in illegal immigration, and non existent terrorist attacks in recent years, wail real treat is building in front of our noses.

America won a cold war. NOT with strong military BUT strong Economy.

and now years later we are looking at China Rising to higher level.

today as we speak, everything is Bigger and Better in China.

and just to add

people in Afghanistan who lives in Caves, say about U.S.::: who cares about them we live good here, if you don't like it leave

[Mike.357]

today as we speak, everything is Bigger and Better in China.

what is your definition of better? I hardly think things are better in China.

[Guest strelcevina]

what is your definition of better? I hardly think things are better in China.

true , but china reminds me on that video from Detroit. what is so good in U.S.

my definition of one country being better than other.

1. economy- is it capable to buy you in to submition

2. Military -- is it capable to erase you from a face of earth

3. population.--. is it capable to outwork you

4. knowledge --- are people educated so they can make change.

5. dependency --- do other country's depend on you

and China is all that

[Mike.357]

Bill of Rights trumps all of that

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Have you lived there? Are you moving there? Let me know how it works out. Things may be a bit different from afar.

Economy: maybe, if it can keep itself afloat. How many billion people in China?

Military: And you think our military couldn't do that?

Population: Most are rural and living in conditions slightly better than the dark ages.

Knowledge: Getting much better for some.

Dependency: China still depends on the world for energy, except for coal.

Political: You didn't mention. Was this an error of omission?

Yes, China is all that, and yes they are improving. They have a long way to go, though. They are being forced into capitalism in order to survive, however, and their

political system will have to keep changing in order for them to make the claims you are making for them. I would hate to be in China when the peasants figure it all out.

[Guest strelcevina]

Have you lived there? Are you moving there? Let me know how it works out. Things may be a bit different from afar.

Economy: maybe, if it can keep itself afloat. How many billion people in China?

Military: And you think our military couldn't do that?

Population: Most are rural and living in conditions slightly better than the dark ages.

Knowledge: Getting much better for some.

Dependency: China still depends on the world for energy, except for coal.

Political: You didn't mention. Was this an error of omission?

Yes, China is all that, and yes they are improving. They have a long way to go, though. They are being forced into capitalism in order to survive, however, and their

political system will have to keep changing in order for them to make the claims you are making for them. I would hate to be in China when the peasants figure it all out.

first part of your question i answer it in the last part of my first post.

im saying that China is Improving to Fast, and not just a little but a lot.

and dont forget if you got just 20% Chinese living good, that is more than whole U.S. population.

so by the # of people and not %, Chinese live better than people here

[G27]

Bill of Rights trumps all of that

This.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Well, I'd rather have a bigger percentage of the population with better living standards than just a bigger number compared to ours. It might say something more positive about their society. I'd also say we have a different standard of living compared to the Afghans, so I really could care less what they think. Our standard of living is what we as a society determine it to be. I still can't find that answer to the

first question, but that doesn't matter.

If a society chooses to live a certain way, that's their business, but to say something is better or worse is very subjective. I know several Chinese that live in

TN and I know their opinion of China. They are proud of their heritage but not of the

political system they had to live under.

Even in the worst hour of our country I'll choose to remain right here just because of what Mike.357 said.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Oh, and by the way, the US won the cold war with a strong military and a strong economy. Ronald Reagan's policies saw to that.

[mcurrier]

Oh, and by the way, the US won the cold war with a strong military and a strong economy. Ronald Reagan's policies saw to that.

Reagan had spheres.

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

Strelcevina, I understand your point about China's economy growing rapidly. However I dont think that no one is paying attention to it. They are spending quite a lot on Military stuff.....Why is the question, they are dependent upon the rest of the world to buy their goods to sustain this growth, mostly us, so to me they are wasting money unless they plan to attack those who are footing their bills which would make NO sense.

I read an article some months ago that stated that Wal-Mart alone accounted for a pretty high percentage of China's exports, high enough that it was more than most entire countries. IIRC Wal-mart ranked #5 just behind the entire country of Germany. I do not have a link as it has been awhile since I read it.

The only thing bigger in China is the country itself and the population. The spike in car sales only means that they are finally coming around to the point that some have the ability to get a job and afford a car. 20% of the population is all that really lives well and isnt really all that much even if it does represent more by numbers than in the US.

How many of those people have a right to keep a gun to defend their homes?

As for the BETTER part, I can think of nothing better other than maybe that raw fish stuff if one is in to that sort of thing.

They are far more dependent on us and the rest of the world than vice-versa. In other words we could do without their cheap mass produced trinkets, and if we stopped all imports tomorrow Americans would begin to produce all those things again just as we did before.....in such a case China could not just reproduce that income like we could the goods.

The average Chinese probably has the same or less than a poor American, And NO rights to go with it as Mike has said.

I can not believe you even stated "No terrorist attacks in recent years"....how about in recent months?....Ft. Hood, the Christmas eve airplane and the Little Rock shootings come to mind. Just because these acts did not kill as many people as 9-11 did, they are still attacks. We are under constant attack.

As for those in their caves in Afghan. I am glad they like them, and I hope they stay in them rather than come over here and then complain that they dont have health care or food stamps.

I am not trying to slam you Sir, just pointing out that China selling more new cars than the US for the first time isnt really an issue to be concerned about. I am sure it is a matter of national pride for the few there who bought one, it is just not something that concerns me at all.

Personally I would rather live under a bridge in America than to be one of those FEW Chinese that can now afford a car.

I also know people here in TN who grew up in China and share the same thoughts as I do about living under a bridge rather than go back.

WE have FREEDOM, Sir.....something the Chinese will never have and that trumps everything everyday for me.

[Mike.357]

Right on Sgt. Joe!

[Guest strelcevina]

i know we have freedom i'm here ,am i

but you know how is it , follow the money.

if you could ,answer honestly on this questions

20 years ago if somebody told you that, 90% of stuff will be made in China.

what would you say?

15 yars ago if somebody told you that 90% U.S. companies will move to China.

what would you say?

10 years ago if somebody told you that China will accept Capitalism .

what would you say?

5 years ago if somebody told you that China will surpass U.S in buying power.

what would you say?

what will happen in next 5 years ????

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

i know we have freedom i'm here ,am i

but you know how is it , follow the money.

if you could ,answer honestly on this questions

20 years ago if somebody told you that, 90% of stuff will be made in China.

what would you say?

15 yars ago if somebody told you that 90% U.S. companies will move to China.

what would you say?

10 years ago if somebody told you that China will accept Capitalism .

what would you say?

5 years ago if somebody told you that China will surpass U.S in buying power.

what would you say?

what will happen in next 5 years ????

Actually my answer to the first four would be YES.....The Ex-wife could verify the first and the current one the others. As for Buying power do you mean average Chinese vs average American or the Governments?

Buying power as I understand has always been based on the consumer, in which case they have not passed us.

I also predicted (in the 70's) the Russian economy would crumble as it was built around military production of junk equipment.....soon as we kicked butt in the Gulf War out numbered in tanks something like 10-1,(Russian made tanks) it began to happen.

As for the next 5? I''m in the same boat with most...as in I have no clue.

The fear would be a Russia/China alliance. Russian factories and China's money. In which case we just cut off their money. I know much easier said than done. Especially now that we owe them so much.

But really what could they do?.....put a couple million people to work as telephone debt collectors:D

But NO these days I cant predict tomorrow much less 5 years out as all those Smart? people in congress do.

[Mike.357]

are you making these facts up? Where you getting this from?

90% of US businesses have not moved to China.

[Mike.357]

In which case we just cut off their money. I know much easier said than done. Especially now that we owe them so much.

But really what could they do?

Cut them off buy not purchasing their goods. Don't repay the interest on the debt and get ready for WW3

[trblmkr13]

To fight them we would have to be prepared for a full on war like WWII, they rolled tanks over college kids just 20 years ago!

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

I think they would find rolling tanks over college kids was much easier than establishing a beachhead on our mainland.

I agree Mike just quit buying and paying.....they cant do squat.

I believe we are in agreement here

We aint scared of no stinkin China.....

[Mike.357]

We aint scared of no stinkin China.....

I am at an age where not much scares me, let them come.

[Guest strelcevina]

are you making these facts up? Where you getting this from?

90% of US businesses have not moved to China.

im not making it up. i read that 80 or 85% outside companies in china belong to U.S.

so if you exclude retail stores government organizations and hospitals

there is almost nothing made in U.S any more.

and if U.S. alow Chinese made guns.......that would be kind of nice.

a copy of 1911 kimber for 200$

[Mike.357]

well even if what you just posted is true 90% of US business has not moved to China.

and China has guns, they just do not trust people like you and me with them.

[Guest 1817ak47]

what he is concerned about and I am concerned about this too. they are getting more and more developed, they are getting richer and richer, and the chinese will likely try to dominate the world. they have a est 1.3 billion population that they have to fight, though only a portion would be real fighting potiential. I am kinda concerned that china and us will have a WWIII against each other.

I am very picky where I buy stuff from(country) and buy as little as possible from those places, even though I often pay 2-3x more for that one tool etc. but I don't buy us when things are way overpriced(snap-on mack tools etc)

[StPatrick]

and if U.S. alow Chinese made guns.......that would be kind of nice.

a copy of 1911 kimber for 200$

I know it's nearly impossible to avoid purchasing Chinese goods, but the idea of owning a gun made by near-slave labor seems especially malicious and wrong.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

The same thing that is going on throughout the world is happening to China, too. Their financial market is having problems just like everyone else. When it comes to having 1.3 billion people, that makes it even harder for them to sustain any kind of growth and it's doubtful that just because one has a great population, one could sustain a great military able to be used against another.

In "The Bear and the Dragon" by Clancy, China used their railroad to invade Russia

and almost succeded, until the US aided Russia. I know it's fiction but China would need one large navy to use that great army if it is to get to another shore.

And while getting richer and richer, it is still in the dark ages in the bulk of the country. If they can't buy what they need, in the near future they might go for the

"Northern Resource Area", as Clancy describes it, but it wouldn't be across an ocean.

By the time they get desperate or mad enough, we will probably have a real President

here and things would change drastically. China will have to clean up their sandbox

before they go and poop in someone else's, because they'll get run right back into it.

[G27]

I know it's nearly impossible to avoid purchasing Chinese goods, but the idea of owning a gun made by near-slave labor seems especially malicious and wrong.

Agreed.