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[ttocswob]

It's an evil cycle in a two-party system period. Alexander? Corker?

And I'd rather vote for the guy on the evil cycle!

[K191145]

I'm actually more Libertarian than anything. However, I almost always vote Republican to keep from causing the Ross Perot effect (pulling off enough conservatives to assure a liberal victory).

Unfortunatly it is reality that a third party candidate will never win and only steal votes from one or the other candidates. Very few have ever won an election. I personally would love to see a Conservative Libertarian have a chanch at any seat but I don't see that happening any time soon. Sometimes it's a question of who is less dangerous and less likely to do any real damage to the state or country and IMO, and recent observations the Republicans are far far less dangerous to America than the Euro-Socialfacist's that's controlling the U.S. Government right now.

2010 can't come soon enough for me. Actually January 2011. My hope is that there's at least a GOP majority in the House, enough division to accomplish and pass absolutly NOTHING, which is far better than completly destroying America.

[Guest Drewsett]

Unfortunatly it is reality that a third party candidate will never win and only steal votes from one or the other candidates. Very few have ever won an election. I personally would love to see a Conservative Libertarian have a chanch at any seat but I don't see that happening any time soon. Sometimes it's a question of who is less dangerous and less likely to do any real damage to the state or country and IMO, and recent observations the Republicans are far far less dangerous to America than the Euro-Socialfacist's that's controlling the U.S. Government right now.

2010 can't come soon enough for me. Actually January 2011. My hope is that there's at least a GOP majority in the House, enough division to accomplish and pass absolutly NOTHING, which is far better than completly destroying America.

It's this attitude of helplessness that's the real danger. Vote your conscience. Don't let anyone tell you that by voting third party you are throwing your vote away. This state is staunchly republican as it is, so it's not like you are going to cause a dem to win by voting 3rd party. Also, there have been pleny of periods in our history when there were multiple parties, the only reason that we only have two now is because we have allowed them to write the rules their way...

[K191145]

It's this attitude of helplessness that's the real danger. Vote your conscience. Don't let anyone tell you that by voting third party you are throwing your vote away. This state is staunchly republican as it is, so it's not like you are going to cause a dem to win by voting 3rd party. Also, there have been pleny of periods in our history when there were multiple parties, the only reason that we only have two now is because we have allowed them to write the rules their way...

Oh I vote my conscience, it would bother my conscience if I voted in a way that allowed a far left socialist to win, who systematically wants to pick apart the Constitution and convert America into some Euro-Facist type country where there's two classes, leftest elites and lowly sheep peasants. Even if that means holding my nose when I vote. It's not an attitude of helplessness, it's just the wiser vote sometimes.

[Guest Drewsett]

Oh I vote my conscience, it would bother my conscience if I voted in a way that allowed a far left socialist to win, who systematically wants to pick apart the Constitution and convert America into some Euro-Facist type country where there's two classes, leftest elites and lowly sheep peasants. Even if that means holding my nose when I vote. It's not an attitude of helplessness, it's just the wiser vote sometimes.

I wasn't trying to be confrontational...but I do think that my point about TN and voting 3rd party was a valid one. There isn't really any danger of this state electing an Obama...so we have the relative luxury of being able to vote third party without causing a euro-facist type to get elected. Also, if third parties get enough of a percentage of the vote within a state, they are automatically on the ballot for the next election, which saves them valuable time and money.

I voted for Ron Paul in the primary of this past election (because I thought McCain was almost as poor of a candidate as Obama) and then Bob Barr (the LP candidate) in the general election. I didn't have to hold my nose for either vote.

[Worriedman]

There isn't really any danger of this state electing an Obama...

It elected a Bredesen, the same guy who stood before the NRA, after accepting their $2,500.00 donation and promised to sign the Restaurant Carry Bill before the last election.

[K191145]

I wasn't trying to be confrontational...but I do think that my point about TN and voting 3rd party was a valid one. There isn't really any danger of this state electing an Obama...so we have the relative luxury of being able to vote third party without causing a euro-facist type to get elected. Also, if third parties get enough of a percentage of the vote within a state, they are automatically on the ballot for the next election, which saves them valuable time and money.

I voted for Ron Paul in the primary of this past election (because I thought McCain was almost as poor of a candidate as Obama) and then Bob Barr (the LP candidate) in the general election. I didn't have to hold my nose for either vote.

I would much rather have had Ron Paul, Fred Thompson, or Mike Hukabee on the ballot than McCain, I just know that the time wasn't there yet for a third party candidate to win and McCain being a RINO was still a much safer choice than Obama, and now he's prooving that every day. Maybe the time will be right some day for a third party candidate but it would take a massive grass roots effort to elect one. There's still alot of people who are going to vote either Democrat or Republican no matter who their candidate is. My hope is that there's enough people that are waking up to the corruption of the Obama administration that they at least put the GOP in the majority in the House in 2010 simply to obstruct anything Obama wants.

As far as the state goes, if there was a third party candidate I liked I have no problems voting for them in the primaries but ultimatly I want the most conservative one elected in the general election and that doesn't necessarily mean a republican. As far as candidates for U.S. House or Senate, I'm voting GOP.

[Oh Shoot]

....My hope is that there's enough people that are waking up to the corruption of the Obama administration that they at least put the GOP in the majority in the House in 2010 simply to obstruct anything Obama wants.

...

And there's the crux of the prob.

That's how O got there in the first place, just change the players.

Both parties count on this simple ebb and flow process, long term.

They get weaker or stronger, but are always still in the game.

- OS

[Guest Drewsett]

It elected a Bredesen, the same guy who stood before the NRA, after accepting their $2,500.00 donation and promised to sign the Restaurant Carry Bill before the last election.

And Bredesen, as a pragmatic man who didn't want to alienate his base, did not sign, knowing that it would take effect anyways, thereby effectively pleasing independents and democrats who will support him in future elections...

Yes, I know it's the principle of the thing, but it did make it into law on his watch, so...

It's not his fault some liberal activist judge decided to overturn the law on a fabricated "technicality"

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Maybe the time will be right some day for a third party candidate but it would take a massive grass roots effort to elect one.

We gotta start somewhere...

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[seez52]

If we'd just take the republican party back, that would solve the problem. We wouldn't have to worry about the idiots that always vote party line because our candidate would be it. Kick out the Rhinos, stomp on them, begin at your county level and run'em out. Overwhelm them from within. I've been a third party advocate for years, even back to the Perot, almost win. Unfortunately all it got us was BC. The system has been redesigned over time to exclude any challengers to the two party system. Until we adopt, believe it or not, a system similar to the French we'll never over come the two party system. Actually, I don't think it will ever happen, at least not until the country breaks into smaller parts.

[Guest HexHead]

Actually, I don't think it will ever happen, at least not until the country breaks into smaller parts.

Amen brother. From your lips to God's ears. Can't come soon enough.

[K191145]

And there's the crux of the prob.

That's how O got there in the first place, just change the players.

Both parties count on this simple ebb and flow process, long term.

They get weaker or stronger, but are always still in the game.

- OS

But now it's crucial that Obama's socialist plans be stopped for the sake of the country. I've never seen more dangerous legislation trying to be passed in all my 48 years. It's not just 2nd Amendment issues but they are trying to destroy everything America is supposed to be. Put out the fire first and worry about the cleanup after.

If we'd just take the republican party back, that would solve the problem. We wouldn't have to worry about the idiots that always vote party line because our candidate would be it. Kick out the Rhinos, stomp on them, begin at your county level and run'em out. Overwhelm them from within. I've been a third party advocate for years, even back to the Perot, almost win. Unfortunately all it got us was BC. The system has been redesigned over time to exclude any challengers to the two party system. Until we adopt, believe it or not, a system similar to the French we'll never over come the two party system. Actually, I don't think it will ever happen, at least not until the country breaks into smaller parts.

I think we are all on the same page, if we, (real conservatives) had the power of millions of people we would weed out the RINO's and replace them then there would be no need for a third party. Most all Libertarian's are former Republicans anyway and when it comes to elections we vote mostly Republican. It can be done, people just have to get real passionate about it.

[Oh Shoot]

But now it's crucial that Obama's socialist plans be stopped for the sake of the country. I've never seen more dangerous legislation trying to be passed in all my 48 years. It's not just 2nd Amendment issues but they are trying to destroy everything America is supposed to be. Put out the fire first and worry about the cleanup after....

Oh, I dunno.

- The Patriot Act stuff may ultimately be used for the largest loss to personal freedom in the US as anything else. Can't blame that one on the Dems.

- And it's certainly true that the GOP has done absolutely NOTHING about health insurance reform, even though they all now claim that it needs to be fixed, just not in the "Dem way".

- And let's remember whose watch TARP began on, eh?

- As far as 2A, the only real issue that has arisen under this administration thus far has been to allow carry in National Parks. While I don't doubt the underlying anti-2A movement within the Dems, there's really nothing concrete to point at.

The two party system has become tyranny, plain and simple.

One can't exist without the other, and they know it, use it, count on it.

- OS

[Guest Drewsett]

The two party system has become tyranny, plain and simple.

One can't exist without the other, and they know it, use it, count on it.

- OS

You know, those are pretty strong words considering the 2nd was intended to prevent tyranny.

flag@whitehouse.gov

[Oh Shoot]

You know, those are pretty strong words considering the 2nd was intended to prevent tyranny....

Which is why, ultimately, the GOP as a whole has not stood up for gun rights much more than the Dems over time. Both parties mouth support for 2A but cite "common sense limitations" in their platforms.

It's a Parliament of Whores, so effete now that it might as well be legislation from another country.

- OS

[Worriedman]

Which is why, ultimately, the GOP as a whole has not stood up for gun rights much more than the Dems over time. Both parties mouth support for 2A but cite "common sense limitations" in their platforms.

It's a Parliament of Whores, so effete now that it might as well be legislation from another country.

- OS

Truer words have not been posted here in a while, sadly.

[Guest TnRebel]

I would much rather have had Ron Paul, Fred Thompson, or Mike Hukabee on the ballot than McCain, I just know that the time wasn't there yet for a third party candidate to win and McCain being a RINO was still a much safer choice than Obama, and now he's prooving that every day. Maybe the time will be right some day for a third party candidate but it would take a massive grass roots effort to elect one. There's still alot of people who are going to vote either Democrat or Republican no matter who their candidate is. My hope is that there's enough people that are waking up to the corruption of the Obama administration that they at least put the GOP in the majority in the House in 2010 simply to obstruct anything Obama wants.

As far as the state goes, if there was a third party candidate I liked I have no problems voting for them in the primaries but ultimatly I want the most conservative one elected in the general election and that doesn't necessarily mean a republican. As far as candidates for U.S. House or Senate, I'm voting GOP.

A big +1 on that , I donated to Fred and still get his news letters if he was to run again I would through all my support behind him .